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Afcon final madness

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 36,136 ✭✭✭✭~Rebel~


    Whatever about the ref, how are the linos or 4th official or someone not noticing that business with the keeper's towel, and stopping it?!

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,354 ✭✭✭NITRO95


    I coach youth football and one thing you always ensure is that subs don't go near your goalkeeper and that "fans" keep the fcuk away too. How the referee and his assistants have allowed that to carry on is a disgrace. Also those "ball boys" look to be at least 16 or 17 years old, I'd have no problem with the Senegalese sub keeper defending himself from what took place



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,798 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    He did well not to clatter the fúcks. tryna drag him around by the ankle, hilarious if he had kicked out at them.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,786 ✭✭✭✭Mushy


    Diaz will still think a panenka was the best decision



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,111 ✭✭✭Did you smash it


    bans and fines fairly evenly distributed …


    Senegal coach Pape Thiaw has been handed a five-match suspension by the governing body of African football with players of Senegal and Morocco also banned following chaotic scenes at the Africa Cup of Nations (AFCON) final.

    Senegal’s final victory on January 18 was overshadowed when their players walked off the pitch before the final whistle and temporarily refused to play on after Morocco were awarded a stoppage-time penalty with the match goalless.

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    Thiaw ushered his players off the pitch, leading to a 16-minute delay to proceedings, which had immediately followed Senegal having a stoppage-time goal of their own ruled out.

    On Thursday, the Confederation of African Football (CAF) issued Thiaw with a $100,000 (£72,000) fine after finding the 44-year-old guilty of “unsporting conduct” and “bringing the game into disrepute”.

    Senegal forwards Iliman Ndiaye and Ismaila Sarr each received two-match bans for “unsporting behaviour towards the referee”.

    Morocco’s Ismael Saibari was banned for three games and fined $100,000 (£72,000) while Morocco captain Achraf Hakimi given a two-match suspension, with one game suspended for 12 months, each for “unsporting behaviour”.

    What impact does AFCON final chaos have on Morocco and World Cup 2030?

    All suspensions are specific to CAF-governed matches, so will not be applicable to this summer’s World Cup, organised by FIFA, or international friendlies.

    CAF distributed fines totaling over $1million following the incident. The Senegal Football Federation (FSF) was fined $615,000 (£444,000) for breaches of CAF’s disciplinary code, divided between the unsporting conduct of Senegal players and technical staff, the improper conduct of its supporters, and Thiaw’s side receiving five yellow cards during the final.

    Separately, Morocco’s football federation (FRMF) was fined $200,000 (£144,000) for the “inappropriate behaviour” of ball boys, who made several attempts to take the towel of Senegal’s goalkeeper Edouard Mendy during the match.

    The FRMF was also hit with a $100,000 (£72,000) fine for the “improper conduct of players and staff, who invaded the VAR review area” and a further $15,000 (£10,870) “for the use of lasers by supporters”.

    The FRMF’s request to overturn the result of the match due to Senegal’s players leaving the pitch was dismissed by CAF.

    CAF’s decisions follow on from FIFA president Gianni Infantino calling for actionafter what he described as “ugly scenes” in Rabat, Morocco’s capital.

    Earlier this week, Spanish Football Federation (RFEF) president Rafael Louzan said the scenes at the end of the AFCON final “damaged world football”. Spain and Morocco, alongside Portugal, are the primary co-hosts for the 2030 World Cup.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 36,136 ✭✭✭✭~Rebel~


    Whatever about the decision, it's insane to only reach a conclusion one way or another 3 months after the event!

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,218 ✭✭✭✭Osmosis Jones


    Hakimi and Mbaye were mid CL match when this was announced, can't imagine how that news went down in the dressing room 😆



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,553 ✭✭✭StevenToast


    The whole debacle reflects very badly on African Football....

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,352 ✭✭✭beggars_bush


    Corruption is alive and well



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 36,136 ✭✭✭✭~Rebel~


    I'm not even sure it's corruption rather than just total disorganisation. Like, the decision itself is reasonable enough... you can't necessarily just abandon a game for 10 minutes by walking off in protest at a pen decision you don't like, and expect that to just be ignored. Had they come to that decision on the day, or even the next day or two, I can see it… but needing 3 months to come to that conclusion just comes across as inept governance.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,678 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,904 ✭✭✭✭LuckyLloyd


    TIA

    Ridiculous it took 3 months, the rules are very straightforward and the players and staff at this level understand them.

    You can argue the decision to continue the game after they walked off, for crowd control and all of that. But this should have been resolved within a week at most thereafter.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,681 ✭✭✭A2LUE42


    The whole tournament sets some precedents that may come back to bite. Having the hosts appear to get favourable decisions during the competition reminds me of the 2002 world cup. Allowing subs and others not playing to interfere with the goalkeepers towels and water bottles, where is the line drawn on what is acceptable or not. Does a player get obviously distracted or injured and impact the results of a game.

    A team walking off and refusing to continue, how has it taken 3 months to decide on a punishment for that. It makes a farce of the whole tournament and reflects very badly on the whole afcon organisation. Can you imagine this happening with the Euros?

    Any competition taking place in Morocco will need some assurance from the organisers that similar won't happen again, but seeing how they have benefitted from it, would seem to encourage others to copy and push the boundaries even further. Pay a few fines, but win the trophy, seems a dangerous road to go down. I hope we don't end up looking back at this as where the seeds for some tragedy began.

    Team bus attacked, players attacked or interference on the pitch, fans endangered because of lax security to allow intimidation, hard to know, but if a country or host is seen to benefit, then it is likely to only encourage the behavior. These things tend to only escalate if not stopped.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,798 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Yes but that it took so long reeks all the same.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,133 ✭✭✭keeponhurling


    While it will feel hollow for the Moroccan players , it is right that in 20 years time their name is on the roll of honour and not Senegal's.

    You can't just leave the pitch after a referee decision. It wasn't even a blatantly wrong decision.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 32,561 ✭✭✭✭Mars Bar


    Even in the grassroots football league I ran I was pretty clear with a manager on the side of the pitch at that moment, that the second that last player left the field of play and the ref blows the whistle, the game is considered abandoned and they'd lose a game they were winning and no amount of video evidence of rough play from the opposition would change that. It should take 3 minutes, not 3 months!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,678 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Your grassroots league probably wasn't worried about a ton of legal challenges.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,461 ✭✭✭jacool


    Yeah, well it's not like there will be any big competition happening in Morocco anytime soon.

    Unless, er, oh, yes - 2030 WC!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 32,561 ✭✭✭✭Mars Bar


    But when it's written in the rules that losing the game is the outcome why would you expect to win a legal challenge?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,678 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Senegal have already signalled that they are launching an appeal.

    You obviously haven't been paying attention if you think sport isn't full of legal challenges even when the team is guilty as sin.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 32,561 ✭✭✭✭Mars Bar


    No I know it's legal challenges all around. Anything involving money comes with that

    But it is obvious to everyone that the rule is walking off the pitch and abandoning comes with losing the game



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 687 ✭✭✭Pete Moss


    It does state in the relevant Articles (Copied below) that the Committee refer to for guiding this decision that the committee take the final decision on withdrawals:

    CHAPTER 35- WITHDRAWALS

    ARTICLE 82

    If, for any reason whatsoever, a team withdraws from the competition or does not report for a match, or refuses to play or leaves the ground before the regular end of the match without the authorisation of the referee, it shall be considered looser and shall be eliminated for good from the current competition. The same shall apply for the teams previously disqualified by decision of CAF.

    ARTICLE 83

    A team that shall not be present on the ground, dressed to play at the time fixed for kick-off or at most 15 minutes later, shall forfeit the match. The referee shall register the absence of the team and shall write it in his report. The Organising Committee shall take the final decision in this respect.

    ARTICLE 84

    The team which contravenes the provisions of articles 82 and 83 shall be eliminated for good from the competition. This team will lose its match by 3-0 unless the opponent has scored a more advantageous result at the time when the match was interrupted, in this case this score will be maintained. The Organising Committee may adopt further measures.

    Very clear cut to me and seems they've completed their due diligence in applying the above. The referee registered what occurred in the game in his report and the Committee made their decision based on that. In fairness to the ref, declaring the final of an international tournament as abandoned is a major call with huge implications, including potential to incite crowd trouble.

    Granted it took some time to apply the above, but I imagine it could not be done lightly and the Committee needed to apply some caution.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,600 ✭✭✭IncognitoMan


    They can challenge it all they like.

    https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/articles/ce949glzzglo

    Caf added that "through the conduct of its team" Senegal infringed on Article 82 of regulations of the Africa Cup of Nations and, as a result, Article 84 became applicable.

    Article 82 states that if a team refuses to play or leaves the ground before the end of regulation time without the referee's authorisation, it will be considered the loser and eliminated from the competition.

    Article 84 complements this provision, stating that any team that violates Article 82 will be permanently eliminated and will lose the match 3-0.

    It's there in black and white. They have no leg to stand on here.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,511 ✭✭✭✭expectationlost


    Is there any significance to the use of the word ground vs pitch ? https://www.cafonline.com/media/bl2lhb3v/bm58fa2qjh76asriri5s.pdf

    CHAPTER 35- WITHDRAWALS
    ARTICLE 82
    If, for any reason whatsoever, a team withdraws from the competition or does not report
    for a match, or refuses to play or leaves the ground before the regular end of the
    match without the authorisation of the referee, it shall be considered looser and shall be
    eliminated for good from the current competition. The same shall apply for the teams
    previously disqualified by decision of CAF.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 58,506 ✭✭✭✭Necro


    I wouldn't think so given they refused to play for a period of time. It's a shame that it took so long but in all honesty, it is the right decision.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,758 ✭✭✭Dave_The_Sheep


    Not that you'd know it from the wailing and gnashing of teeth that went on at the time. Senegal could do no wrong.

    I don't even like Morocco and the way that they (monolith that they are) behaved. But you can't just walk off the pitch because you disagree with a decision and not expect consequences.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,213 ✭✭✭✭ArmaniJeanss


    I guess they could appeal Article 82 on the thin grounds that the referee has authorised them to come back on and conclude the game. Therefore he must have given implicit retrospective authorisation to them leaving the pitch in the first place.
    Furthermore because the game eventually came to a natural 'played out to the end' conclusion, the provisions of A82 don't apply, thus A84 can't apply either.

    Look, I'm not saying it's rock solid or anything, but enough to at least bring to CAS.
    Also it's possible that other regulations may clash with A82 & A84. Any CAS case will look at the entire set of regulations and precedents.



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