Pakistan Afghanistan Conflict

FFS give it a rest, stop blaming Europeans for these savage tribal conflicts.

As if I have an alternative, my point was that re-writing borders doesn't help matters. To use an example, when Iraq was created, it was a massive country with a relatively tiny coastline, Kuwait was a small country with a relatively big coastline and a majority of oil is in coastal areas. Of course that didn't justify the invasion of Kuwait so a certain someone could plunder it.

These things on their own don't lead to conflict, in the case of this thread both Afghanistan and Pakistan have their own groups and helped create their own problems. Pakistan had no problem courting extremists when it suited, and they have their own extremist problems in rural areas. The West can't be blamed for other people's religious extremism.

Afghanistan or Pakistan are not nation states as we understand it in the west.

They have characteristics in their make up which make even African states with their tribal makeup look like pre WW2 Japan.

Tribal makeup up and loyalty; Pakistan is in first position and Afghanistan in second for cousin marriage rate, around 60% and 50% respectively. Those rates will be higher in rural and lower in urban areas.

The nuclear family being the foundation or building block of a society and it's role in spreading ideas, building cohesion outside your clan is a defining characteristic of the western world.

The dominance of Islam and it's all encompassing nature in all areas of life which don't recognise borders.

Fact is war is scummy all of it, some people only want to see the bad of certain sides in war, it would be nice if our lefty politicians who claim to speak for human rights were as vocal on human rights of all people not just those harmed by the west. But of course human rights really isn't their main concern it's a hatred for the west, they'll happily push propaganda for and defend the most horrific regimes in the world if it reflects badly on the west.