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Eating healthy is not expensive

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 360 ✭✭JM2300


    That was just the normal price. People in Dublin say that healthy food is too expensive.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 11,508 ✭✭✭✭John_Rambo


    The produce in Supervalu, Lidl, Tesco etc… are the same all over the country. Or is it just more common for city people to eat healthy?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,218 ✭✭✭SupaCat95


    I am going to introduce a radical idea. Why are we eating unhealthily? Where did we change our eating practices? What about our farming practices? What content and food are we consuming? Where is our education system wrong? How come we cannot dig for victory? Why do we no longer garden?

    I have some really mad ideas that make John Seymour and Hugh Fernsley Whittingstall look sane. Its about our relationship with nitrogen, religion, bread, forgotten plants, mechanised agriculture, forgotten trees, our relationship with meat and how we process it now compared with our grand parents.

    Imagine the world we would have of we had closed loop agriculture system. No fertiliser, no animal feed, no organic waste in the house, no finance for machines, herbicide, pesticides.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 891 ✭✭✭SodiumCooled


    If you buy just the far too cheap, driving farmers out of business, specials in supermarkets you may get a lot of veg for the price of a pizza but in general fruit especially is not cheap. I bought two frozen pizzas for 6 euro at the weekend and I spent about a 10er on one punnet of strawberries, one small container of blueberries and one small container of raspberries. Apples are not overly cheap nor are oranges. Bananas aren’t too bad but still two bunches will be the cost of a pizza.

    But on my original point root veg is cheap but far far too cheap yet another grower went out of business this week. There needs to be a serious adjustment in people’s expectations on the cost of some items as they need to get more expensive to keep Irish veg farmers in business.

    Just to add my point isn’t people shouldn’t eat healthy or that in general healthy eating can be done on a reasonable budget but the cost of eating fresh produce is probably too cheap for many items.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 598 ✭✭✭Orban6


    Slow cookers ARE great.

    If you're a singleton like meself, you can cook 3 or 4 meals at once. Chicken or beef stews. Eat one, freeze one or two and have the other the next day.

    All you have to do is cook the potatoes on the day.

    Large trays of stewing beef are not expensive and, as pointed out in a previous post, chicken thighs are cheap and perfect for a stew.

    Pastas are also very cheap and quick. You can do a lot with them very quickly and relatively cheaply.

    Classic Carbonara, Chicken/Mushroom tagliatelle etc. They don't take long to cook.

    Personally I'm not worried about "carbohydrates or proteins". I just want a good substantial meal and I know that's what I'll get.

    Not adverse to the odd frozen pizza though.

    Although raw produce has gone up in price in recent years, I think it's generally a lot cheaper that it was 30 or 40 years ago.

    EDIT TO AD

    I costed a classic carbonara before the cost of living crisis. It cost me between 1 and 1.20 Euros for a large portion.

    Would be a little more now.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 11,508 ✭✭✭✭John_Rambo


    Agreed, Irish parsnips and carrots are bizarrely often cheaper than livestock feed. But good fruit and berries are not cheap, I don't think you'll get a lot for the price of a pizza in a supermarket.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,384 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    Bag of Pink Lady Apples three quid,Mango,Pepper,a euro each. Got a half kilo bag of frozen Blueberries this morning for around €2.50. Bag of six Kiwi's are two or three quid, little baby sweetcorn I get in Aldi for a euro or two.

    I could probably go on if I looked.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,198 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    Quite a few off the common misconceptions there. Desperately trying to file evey food into either good/bad, healthy/unhealthy categories. It's not nearly that binary.

    For example I got into this conversation thinking "unhealthy" food is food not bought, prepared, cooked by myself. Basically I would class food not prepared at home as unhealthy, because it's so processed.

    Eg someone mentioned buying a bag of salad leaves. I never do this!

    That is a really loose definition for unhealthy. To the point of being useless. I can go out to a fast food/food court type place and buy a reasonable healthy lunch. I can then home and make a homemade meal that is extremely "unhealthy", if I so wished.
    The difference between fresh lettuce and bagged lettuce is incredibly small. Almost certainly not the critical isue in anyones diet.

    Another example is pasta.

    This is a processed food, but if eaten in moderation as a treat, it's fine.

    Yet again though, compare to delivered food and it's probably is a healthier option!

    Pasta doesn't have to be processed. It can be made fresh easily. Which doesn't really change how good/bad it is.
    You can make a bowl of pasta at home, and it's actually a far worse option that fast food, or a restaurant, etc.
    It's not the inherent goodness or badness of pasta that's the issue, but portion control.

    If I make a pasta dish, I'll pay extra for better ingreients so it tastes better. The macros are still the same.

    - My favourite is the one about porridge, how cheap and nourising it is - it's disgusting, looks like snot/puke and tastes similar - I don't care how cheap it is.

    I don't mind porridge, but I agree with the intent here. Porridge is a cheap breakfast, and healthy. But its an outlier. Most home cooked meals are going to cost more than porridge.

    I'd be very surprised if given a budge of 5o euro or what ever, that it would go much further by guying crap. People overlooking that have blinkers on to the scenarios some people are in.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,089 ✭✭✭nachouser


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    Pasta is perfectly fine if you bother to check the ingredients.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 13,592 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    Well, pasta is not perfectly fine if it is used as a cheap carb filler, which is what people on low budgets can be pushed to do (we've heard this before, the Heat or Eat debate in the UK: pasta is cheap etc.)

    And then, there is the online push about carbs v's fat debate, this food is wrong, that food is better... the misinformation. It can be very confusing for people to even know what food is healthy or unhealthy. That cheap sunflower oil from the supermarket? Heart healthy or poison?

    This is partially what I mean by the nuance in the debate; the conflicting messages that people perceive, people who are already under stresses of finance, time and all else that life can throw at them.

    Food should be a source of comfort, nutrition, community, tradition.. but it has instead become a minefield.

    And I think that that says a lot about our modern society.

    (As an aside point: this touches on why I find food so fascinating. It links together science, politics, art, philosophy, culture, humanity, ecology and ethics… everything.)



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 891 ✭✭✭SodiumCooled


    Yes but a goodfellas pizza is 3 euro, I’m sure you could get an aldi own brand even cheaper. So you can’t really stand by the original claim that you can weigh yourself down with fruit and veg for the price of a pizza.

    A punnet of fresh strawberries is around 3 euro and there is about 10 strawberries in it, not much less for even smaller packs of fresh blue and raspberries. I’m not complaining that they are over priced by the way - though I’m much happier to be giving it to Irish growers which isn’t possible this time of year.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,756 ✭✭✭DayInTheBog


    I can't see any reason why salad wouldn't keep a week in the fridge. Salmon can be frozen so no need to be worrying about expiration dates.

    We cook enough for 2 days which might involve eating the meal on day 1 and 3 with something else in the middle



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 744 ✭✭✭Sonic the Shaghog


    This so much. Anytime this comes up it's always dragged into how disabled, elderly etc might not be able to cook or someone might not have access to cooking facilities.

    We all know edge cases like this exist and it's not making little of them. But if someone tries to make the claim eating healthy is more expensive than shite it's complete and utter bullshit for the vast vast majority of people in the developed world where this normally is the whinge.

    Usually US, UK more so you you hear this nonsense while they are tucking into their 5th takeaway of the week because usually it's lazy ****.

    We know there's people with different circumstances but even someone that's food intolerant it's still cheaper buy proper ingredients than buy prepacked or fast food.

    Talking about elderly, disabled, people who are working or with kids we get it FFS but it still doesn't change the fact it is cheaper to eat healthy. If your circumstances make it harder that is a shame no doubt.

    Then you get the excuse people haven't been taught to cook from a young age. Yes this is true a lot as well, you have a device you use everyday with access to all the knowledge you could ever want in text, video form to help you.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 33,259 ✭✭✭✭HeidiHeidi


    I can't see any reason why salad wouldn't keep a week in the fridge.

    Salad leaves in bags or prepared cartons/bowls of salad are sealed with some gas or other, once they're opened they're gone within a day or two.

    https://greensideup.ie/salad-bags/

    Lots of supermarkets now have heads of lettuce with the roots in a lump of soil which you can keep moist, those ones keep forever in the fridge, they're fantastic.

    I agree with the poster above, I'd much prefer to be giving my money (even if it's more) to Irish producers of fruit and veg, but they're a vanishing breed. I saw it pointed out by an Instagram blogger that Dunnes, at the height of onion season in Ireland, have about 10 or more varieties of onions on sale, and not one of them Irish. What hope do the growers have when an Irish supermarket won't back them? And that's before you get to the airmiles and carbon footprint of what is on sale 😡



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,392 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    You can make your own pasta in 5 minutes with a handful of flour and a couple of eggs. Or even just eggs and water Sicilian style.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,756 ✭✭✭DayInTheBog


    Id buy a head of lettuce rather than bagged leaves.

    I was reading that another carrot producer has packed it in.

    We're fortunate enough to grow a lot of our own veg and I get a half cow for the freezer. We also have our own free range eggs.

    Beef works out about 7e/kg but that could be a pack of mince or a t bone depending on what comes to hand in the freezer



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 33,259 ✭✭✭✭HeidiHeidi


    Once it gets warm enough I grow my own lettuce and rocket - a pack of seeds costs about €2, and I can't keep up with the amount that grows from a few seeds scattered every couple of weeks. A pot and a spot in the sun is all you need.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 13,592 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    Oh… I love rocket and go through quite a bit of it… I must learn more about growing it.

    I have a west facing balcony on an apartment block; it gets direct sun in the afternoon/early evening.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 33,259 ✭✭✭✭HeidiHeidi


    There's nothing to growing rocket - seriously, toss a few seeds into some compost, cover very lightly, keep it moist, and off you go, you'll have more fresh rocket than you know what to do with after a few weeks! I've kept the one plant going for a couple of years by cutting it back almost to the ground and it just grows again. But the leaves were getting thinner and tougher so I've ditched that and starting again fresh this year.

    Same for lettuce, but it can bolt quite quickly depending on the variety, so I try to only plant a few seeds every few weeks to minimise the waste.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 927 ✭✭✭littlefeet


    Lidl fruit and veg box €3, two boxes in my local Lidl at 3.30pm the other day they are put out in the morning so no one had bothered buying them, they both had potatoes, apples, cabbage and carrots in them.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,691 ✭✭✭yagan


    Sometimes people just don't want to eat healthily.

    The point is empirically it's not expensive to eat healthily in Ireland. Some people though aren't thinking about their health when choosing what to consume.

    They may more education about nutrition in the mass food production age, but the argument that's it's not possible to eat healthily affordably simply does not hold up under examination.

    In fact I'd say it's actual more expensive to just consume branded processed foods and ready made meals that are less nutritional than more affordable base ingredients.

    There is no time shortage argument against eating healthily.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 13,592 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    OT (MODS is this conversation worth branching into a different forum?)

    That just might be the right project for me now (I'm also looking at growing broccoli sprouts…)

    Can you suggest a good source for obtaining the rocket seeds Heidi?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 33,259 ✭✭✭✭HeidiHeidi


    Agreed we're heading off on a tangent here! Quite happy if mods want to hive this off elsewhere.

    Any garden centre, Lidl/Aldi usually have racks of seeds this time of year, hardwares probably have them as well.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 13,592 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    I broadly agree with you, although I do think that time pressure can be a factor for some, if not many, people.

    And I am one that is fortunate to not have time pressure, or to cater for dependants.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 11,508 ✭✭✭✭John_Rambo


    You're right, that's great value, it's the fresh berries are killing us! Around eight or nine punnets of strawberries a week, the same amount of raspberries, grapes, blueberries and cherries. Frozen berries aren't a substitute I'm afraid. I find mangos and kiwis hard to get right and time properly.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,384 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    Frozen fruit is just as good as fresh. Depends how you consume them I suppose.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 11,508 ✭✭✭✭John_Rambo


    The kids will only eat it in smoothies, they won't eat it like they do the fresh berries.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,089 ✭✭✭nachouser


    I'm not a parent myself, but your kids probably don't need that much fresh fruit all the time. Most people on here just grew up fine eating apples, oranges and bananas. And I hate bananas.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,711 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    People's tastes are another factor. I'll try anything and I see merit in most things (even if they're not particularly nice). So I notice when people are reluctant to try new flavours or combinations. I can't imagine how much more difficult it would be if I didn't like trying new flavours.

    I like cooking and trying things, even if they don't work out as well as I hoped, I can notice what I did right or wrong and improve it next time. I can also read a recipe and know how to modify it to my taste.

    I'm thinking of someone who wasn't brought up to experiment with food and they find it so much more difficult than I do. They don't like trying new things and if you said 'healthy they'd hear 'gross'. They just have a poor sense of taste. I think it's easy to overlook how difficult some people find it to try new things.

    Eating 'healthy' is more difficult for some people.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,716 ✭✭✭✭Dial Hard


    Buying fresh berries out of season is insane, of course they're going to be mad money. Eat local and seasonal as much as possible and you'll save quite a bit of money. Not to mention air miles.



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