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General Premier League Thread 2025/2026

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 887 ✭✭✭eastie17


    yeah LinkedIn Liam is a total dickhead. Makes David Brent look like a normal person



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,307 ✭✭✭AidoEirE


    Exactly, they chose to sell those players and bought what they thought were upgrades/same level. Has absolutely come to bite them in the arse with that many transfers/poor planning.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,156 ✭✭✭✭citytillidie


    Game week 30 table

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,441 ✭✭✭✭Fitz*


    Just like when Man Utd chose to sell Ronaldo to Real Madrid and Arsenal chose to sell Ashley Cole to Chelsea yeah?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,883 ✭✭✭✭8-10


    Fergie said he wouldn't sell that mob a virus

    But he never said he wouldn't sell them a generational player



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,586 ✭✭✭ronjo


    I dont think you would find an Arsenal fan who wouldnt say that selling Cole was a complete disaster both when the deal was announced and how it ended up being.

    Are you saying Pool f*cked up totally too as you are using it as a comparison?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,798 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 625 ✭✭✭kyleman


    The hardest thing in football is to build a winning team. We have seen it countless times where buying the big shiny new stars hasn’t produced a good team.

    PSG are a very recent example of this, got rid of the big stars and built the finest team in Europe last year.

    Liverpool last year with not the best players had a great team and I have no doubt if they just kept that squad together with 2 replacements for Trent and Jota plus maybe buy a cheap centre half such as Guehi they would be comfortably be in the top 3.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,586 ✭✭✭ronjo


    Even this season in the same league Ronaldo has outscored Nunez 21-6 🤣



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,441 ✭✭✭✭Fitz*


    So both of ye actually avoiding answering the actual question, well done.

    Feels better to twist the question to get a dig in tho, doesn't it.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,798 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,883 ✭✭✭✭8-10


    I think that's the main point, they weren't the team with the best players last season, but they were the best team.

    The problems this season have been as much about mentality as tactics. You don't concede 10 goals in 90+mins of games in a single season without some sort of collective mentality issues

    Same with the flip side, teams with strong mentalities get over the line when maybe they shouldn't, and we've seen that from plenty of teams before, from Arsenal now arguably, and from some previous Liverpool sides.

    There's no silver bullet because there's no 1 single cause. It's not like a tactical switch helps, or an extra CB signing, it's multiple things at the same time. I'm not completely Slot In or Slot Out to be honest, because I don't think it's the silver bullet fans are expecting and as I said in the other thread I have reservations over Xabi Alonso as a good fit.

    Same way that none of the starting XI choices are the silver bullets people seem to expect either! All season I've seen Liverpool fans cry out for dropping Salah and giving Frimpong a chance at RW, starting Rio Ngumoha on the left, starting Robertson over Kerkez, dropping Konaté and starting Gomez in his best position instead of makeshift RB off the bench…and guess what….all of those changes were made for the Spurs game.

    I'm generally calm though because this is the season I expected last season with Klopp gone. We lost to Forest at home at the start of the season, something that was incredibly rare under Klopp, and I said ok - I have to reset expectations a bit now because this season is likely going to be bumpy as we transition to a new coaching staff and way of playing for the first time in a decade.

    But given the choice I'd absolutely go back and still take the PL trophy instead and delay the transitional season until this one!

    And for the record I still believe in pretty much all the signings made in the summer so it's not like when Houllier or Hodgson bought a load of dross at the same time, I think we've got some seriously good young players in Wirtz, Ekitike, Rio (2024 signing but came through this season), Kerkez and Leoni and I rate Isak, Mamardashvili and Frimpong and glad we have them. Jacquet seems like a smart move too.

    This level of squad overhaul had to happen sooner or later. Remember we were a Europa League team in 2023/24 season and 12 months after we spent more than we ever have in a window. The club is very well run and I'm optimistic for next season



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,441 ✭✭✭✭Fitz*




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,798 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    I have, you are on about unrelated transfers for some reason neither of which line up with any of Liverpools business.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,906 ✭✭✭doc_17


    Chelsea should be docked points, it’s the only way to stop this sort of thing. They’ll probably amortise the fine over a longer period and by some accounting trickery they’ll make a profit on it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,586 ✭✭✭ronjo


    To be honest and it could easily be my stupidty but it read to me like you were comparing Liverpools transfers to those of Cole and Ronaldo of which I answered that every Arsenal fan knew that the Cole one was a disaster from the start.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,883 ✭✭✭✭8-10


    I think it was a general attempt to say 'no club has complete say over selling players'

    I assume the comparison being made is Luis Díaz who has been one of the best players in Europe this season. But the comparison isn't Díaz being as good as Cole or Ronaldo - obviously that's silly - but moreso that Liverpool basically couldn't hold onto him and even the top clubs with the best players in their position who are winning things still end up losing those players sometimes so it's not as simple as Liverpool shouldn't have let him go.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,586 ✭✭✭ronjo


    ok that makes more sense thanks….. On the Cole front though, he would have stayed for sure if Arsenal didnt f*ck up !



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,798 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Arsenal went from 4th to 4th selling Cole.

    United from 1st to 2nd (1 point behind Chelsea)

    Sure clubs sometimes have to sell players. Doesn't mean they capitulate entirely the following year.

    And neither United or Arsenal spent 100m on replacements.....



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,847 ✭✭✭KaiserGunner


    A just punishment from what I've read anyway, would be demotion to a lower league, points deduction and a massive fine. 10m fine and a suspended sentence on a transfer ban is quite a laughable punishment tbh and wont deter them from doing something similar in the future.

    Definitely something not right about it. The FA still have a similar case to be ruled on soon though, involving Chelsea.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,883 ✭✭✭✭8-10


    No but again I don't think (I wasn't the OP) that was what was being said. The point has nothing to do with how teams fared after, I think those were just examples of even more successful clubs unable to hold onto even better players.

    Liverpool after 1 season and 1 title with Slot are clearly nowhere near the level of Fergie's United or Wenger's Arsenal, neither is the league in general the same as back then. I really don't think that's the debate.

    Instead the point is that Liverpool 'chose' to sell Díaz/Trent (assume it's these 2 meant) just as those clubs 'chose' to sell their players before. Meaning, they wouldn't have if it were fully up to them. It wasn't. Díaz and Trent wanted out.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,883 ✭✭✭✭8-10


    Long track record of it though. Remember Gaël Kakuta or the Jon Obi Mikel mess? The league have been lenient on Chelsea for decades because it makes the league richer. Whole thing is rotten.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,277 ✭✭✭✭OmegaGene


    yeah Arsenal pulled the deal that was on the table for some reason, best left back in the league hands down

    Offering a player a deal and then retracting it is lousy and the media blew it all out of proportion

    The internet isn’t for everyone



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 30,562 ✭✭✭✭Quazzie


    You're comparing Arsenal and United losing 1 player involuntarily to Liverpool depleting their squad by selling 7 players in a single window.

    There's nothing in common here



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,906 ✭✭✭doc_17


    Didn’t Chelsea have a transfer ban in the last few years, when Lampard was manager? And now they’ve violated the rules again, they should absolutely be docked points. The PL are tough guys when it’s Everton or Forest, but when it comes to state owned clubs or CL and PL winners, they are pu**ies.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,352 ✭✭✭beggars_bush




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,600 ✭✭✭IncognitoMan


    *2 first team players… and a freshening up (attempted upgrade) on squad options.

    Which again isn't some unheard of turnover for a winning team to make.

    I had a quick look at the minutes played for Nunez and he played 1118 minutes in your title win.
    Or 12.4 games out of a possible 38 in the league and scored 5 goals. Sure doesn't sound like a 1st teamer in a title win.

    Jota played 1194 or 13.2 full games and scored 6 goals.
    I'm not going to get into the tragedy around Jota as that is obviously something that we can't really comment on.

    Ekitike and Wirtz have both surpassed those minutes with 8 games to go in the season.
    Isak has been a loss to be fair.

    When you compare the minutes to the 2 players I said where 1st team players the difference is obvious enough.
    Trent played 2377 minutes or 26.4 full games. Diaz played 2413 or 26.8 full games worth.

    That's not to say they weren't good options and didn't contribute to the title win.

    BUT, from a purely footballing point of view they have been upgraded upon (again I am not going into the other side of things around Jota as I don't believe I can comment on it really).

    Even with Diaz, you would expect long term that Isak will be a better player as he has been before.

    Which leads me back to the original points -

    > Is Slot getting the most of the options available to him each week?
    > How have Liverpool dropped off what is likely to be somewhere between 20 and 30 points on this season's winners despite the large investment and upgrade in players over the summer?

    30 league games in and I don't think he has really found a way to make 400m-500m of new talent work.

    A lot of the roads lead back to Slot in my view.
    I think a lot of managers get a better tune out of the players available to Slot.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,508 ✭✭✭mosstin


    I think they'll probably call the fine a 'training ground' and sell it back to themselves. Might even make a profit on it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,600 ✭✭✭IncognitoMan


    Liverpool did not lose a player of Ronaldo's ability last summer.
    Utd did not drop off 20-30 points on the title winners the season after.

    So not a great comparison
    Even if the point is meant to be "sometimes a club has to sell".

    Sure they do but Liverpool didn't lose their star man here.
    And 3 potentially world class attackers came in.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,397 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    They don't even have to bother, it appears that any fine will be paid out of the money held by that trust that kept Abramovichs money after the Russian sanctions. Money that was supposed to be given to Ukraine. That money is not Chelseas to use for general operations, so these fines effectively won't cost Chelsea anything.



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