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Liverpool FC Premier League Champions 25/26 - Talk /Gossip/Rumours

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,883 ✭✭✭✭8-10


    Isak is a player lots of fans wanted, problem was he got injured just as he looked like he was settling in

    It's when you get to the business end of the season quality players start to show their value. Quality like Isak will be a huge boost in quality.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,508 ✭✭✭mosstin


    Isak a signing no fan would have made? Last summer you'd have been hard pressed to find a fan who wouldn't have wanted to sign him. There's no doubt he was an unusual signing given the way we've been set up to play i.e. sod all width and little or no early delivery in from the wings which Isak thrived on at Newcastle so you can lay that at Hughes' door. I hope rather than assume Isak will come good. I'd disagree that he was coming into form just as he got injured, goals against Spurs or not. Wirtz will prove to be an excellent signing but our recruitment last season was muddled at best, leaving the squad very unbalanced.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,113 ✭✭✭riddles


    Just over 60 million consistrntly high in progressive carries, plenty of dog in him probably the only player in a while that could do what Bobby did for us. Around 20 goal contributions the previous in a poor team. A no brainer signing



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,113 ✭✭✭riddles


    Correction at the price point Isak was at and how he was serviced at Newcastle i personally dont know any fan that thought it was good business.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,611 ✭✭✭Girly Gal


    I think at the end of last season most fans would have been delighted to sign Isak, but, with the way the transfer from Newcastle turned out and dragged on, most would have been happy to walk away rather than sign him on deadline day. Given the choice most fans would have preferred if Guehi signed on deadline day and missed out on Isak, add to that the whole missing pre season excuse, its been a disaster of a signing so far. Maybe next season if he gets a pre season!, he'll be fine.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,534 ✭✭✭✭TitianGerm


    Most teams fans don't really care about the money spent on their own players. That's for fans of other teams to use as a stick to beat any signings.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,113 ✭✭✭riddles


    The price paid comes at the expense of others signings and we have a paper thin squad which isnt going to be improved without CL footie. We could for example have Cunha Semenyo Rayan for not much more than we paid for Isak plus his 280K a week salary so most fans i know do consider this. We also knew the way we play doesnt favour a traditional 9. If we signed him instead of Nunez it would have been great business with Diaz etc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,534 ✭✭✭✭TitianGerm


    We couldn't have had Cunha because he agreed to join United in February last year and publicly said he only wanted to join United.

    Seymeno was good last year but I don't think Bournemouth would have let him go last summer. Didn't he release clause only come active this January?

    Had you even heard of Rayan last summer? I can't recall anyone mentioning him and links to Liverpool.

    We needed a top class striker to try and move away from our reliance on Salah for the majority of our goals. Isak was by far the best option for that pure goal scorer role. I stated many times I'd prefer Alvarez but Isak is an excellent player and the second best striker in the league over the last few years behind Halaand.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 12,189 ✭✭✭✭J Mysterio


    What worried me most about Isak was/ is his apparent awful attitude and mopey demeanor.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,508 ✭✭✭mosstin


    We're fans, not businessmen. That makes no difference to us. We trust the club to judiciously spend the money they generate. Isak was coming off several excellent seasons at Newcastle and had run us ragged in the Carabao Cup final. His price reflected his worth to Newcastle and we were happy to pay that.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,113 ✭✭✭riddles


    They are for examples not specifics and I am not Richard Hughes a highly paid talent manager and in that sense the likes of Estevao Rayan Kroupi etc were absolutely well known.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,508 ✭✭✭mosstin


    And here you're making it sound like Cunha and Cherki have been unqualified successes which they really haven't been. I think they're both streaky players, especially the latter. The club weren't willing to offer a 28 year old Diaz another contract and still got a decent price for him. We always appreciate players more when they're gone than when they were here - Diaz split opinion with some wildly inconsistent performances. What we absolutely should have done was to sign a replacement for him but that's down to the club.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,883 ✭✭✭✭8-10


    Lol yeah we should have signed Rayan how could we not. I don't know why Benítez didn't persuade Yamal to join our academy as a baby either



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,883 ✭✭✭✭8-10


    Again I'll quote you back when it happened:

    On deadline day "at least Isak is done"


    A few weeks before that when replying to a comment saying "I'm starting to think if splashing £130m really necessary for Isak" you said:


    Today: "no fan thought it was good business"

    Come on lad drop it already



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 236 ✭✭CajunSurprise


    I was reading that Slot, Hughes and Edward’s contracts all end at the same time June 2027. If this is true then the owners have some major problems to deal with this summer.

    Do they stick or twist with the coach and how much faith do they put in Hughes after last summer spending. Edwards main job was to oversee FSG expanding into a multi club organisation and this hasn’t happened as of yet.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 12,189 ✭✭✭✭J Mysterio


    Apparently Diaz wanted a new contract offer which wasn't forthcoming. He was a really good player, and highly productive. He was entering his peak at 28. He has 15 goals and 10 assists in 25 games in the bundesliga alone. It's just bad business.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,924 ✭✭✭Damien360


    Ah don't so the trawl through history of boards to prove a point.

    The question many asked is how he fits as we have not targeted an out and out striker in attacks. It's been wing play and still is. So we all thought this was a transition to something different by Slot when he was signed.

    The manner of the transfer was awful and his attitude stank. More than a few of us wondering about what we got. But then we all trusted the process having nailed a PL title. How wrong we were.

    Now add the fact that he has no muscle worth mentioning (remember the bar lift picture) so he is not going to be pushing anyone off a ball or holding them off.

    He hasn't played so we can't write him off but even fit, I don't think he would do well in this team although we could have used him for the 4 on 2 attack vs spurs in the last minute when Eki had nothing in the tank.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,883 ✭✭✭✭8-10


    It's literally earlier in this thread let's not pretend trawling the entire history of boards is happening

    I'm not saying there weren't reservations from fans about the fit or the fee, but hindsight is being used pretty disingenuously here to claim that we all knew it wasn't a good idea when that wasn't the case at the time for all fans at all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,113 ✭✭✭riddles


    Ironically Hughes joins us and Bournemouth still bag young talent that could become serious players



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,508 ✭✭✭mosstin


    It might look like bad business but I wouldn't just be using goals in the Bundesliga as an a barometer of success. Salah also wanted a new contract, got one and look where we are now. Granted, his drop off was likely to be steeper but that's down to the club. They'll get some calls right and some wrong. Looks like - in hindsight - they got more wrong than right last summer but that's not really what the majority of the fanbase were saying last summer and why if Hughes actually does go off to the Middle East, he won't be hugely missed.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,924 ✭✭✭Damien360


    The reservations started very early after the signing. It jumped to a new level when he was training to recover (the bar lift picture). I don't think it is all hindsight. For example....We needed a stricker as we thought a new setup was needed with the impending retirement of Salah. I remember all the conversations around team formation and where to fit each one. Not sure any of us thought of a 6 at the time but a new defender was paramount and we all recognised that loss.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,883 ✭✭✭✭8-10


    Clubs like that can afford to take more risks with players like that though. Did you see how Rayan performed in his first few appearances? If he was at Liverpool he'd have been instantly scrutinised. The Brighton's and Bournemouth's get to give these types of signings a go with much less downside.

    I always remember how hyped up Joao Pedro was when Watford signed him. He started making appearances in the PL and was honestly muck. Couldn't hold up the ball. If he had gone to Chelsea at that age he'd be off in the Portuguese league right now because it would have been an instant failure at this level

    Instead Watford carried on without anyone really noticing much and Brighton signed him without any top 6 team being interested, because why would they?

    Now look at him. Finally proved himself and got the move to the club

    Mo Salah is another example. Barely any appearances in the PL at Chelsea because clubs at the top of the table need players to hit the ground running or else they get rid asap.

    Dominic Solanke for us is another one. 1 goal in an entire season for us. We couldn't wait for him to come good.

    There'll always be players at smaller clubs who break out straight away and we'll always think sure why didn't we just buy him at the time for 1/10th of the price he is now? But reality is it's a gamble and there's plenty that don't work out and occasionally those clubs strike gold



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,883 ✭✭✭✭8-10


    Yeah but you can also point to Salah and how our fanbase were adamant he couldn't be allowed leave on a free last summer

    I'm not concerned about Isak longer term, but I think this summer is more important to get right because it's the one that needs to have the Salah replacement



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,603 ✭✭✭Dr Robert


    Our midfield has been poor this season. The balance looks off and has done for most of it.

    Slot playing Wirtz in a front 4 of attackers was a red flag early on in the season. Teams were walking through us in midfield.

    There's no way all these players are poor. I think the opposite, I think the system is killing us. A change is needed quick.

    The worst scenario is Slot stumbling on and then missing out on CL qualification.

    He needs to go in the summer regardless, but lose on Wednesday and the knives will be out bigtime.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,534 ✭✭✭✭TitianGerm


    The likes of Bournemouth and Brighton can do that because the stakes aren't as high.

    There was an article about Brighton recently which said they had signed 30 or 40 players for less than €10/15m in the last few years but you only ever hear about the successes like Caciedo/Mac Allister etc.

    I do agree we should be taking a chance on someone every year or two though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,924 ✭✭✭Damien360


    I'm bored and click bait sucked me in. Football365 reporting Alonso has demands of 3 players. Barcola up front, Adam Wharton in midfield and Bastoni in defence. Anyone like to hazard a guess at at how much that would cost ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,365 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    Oscar Mingueza on a free is a no brainer. We need an actual RB.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 236 ✭✭CajunSurprise


    Getting homegrown players has to be a priority in the summer if the clubs to have a 25 man squad for the league. The academy doesn’t seem to have any real first team squad prospects to bulk up those numbers.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,883 ✭✭✭✭8-10


    Players becoming homegrown next season:

    Stefan Bajcetic

    James McConnell

    Tommy Pilling

    Kaide Gordon

    Isaac Mabaya

    Luke Chambers

    All have played for us at senior level (bar Pilling who played against Bilbao in preseason last year) but all have also been out on loan to crap teams without doing much of interest (again bar Pilling who hasn't been loaned before)

    I don't think any of these players will play for us next season but if any are at the club they'll likely take up a homegrown spot just because why not if the slot is free.



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