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Cattle scales

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,882 ✭✭✭memorystick


    Thanks for the speedy responses. I was thinking of putting it 6 to 8 foot in front of existing head gate and hanging a gate that can be taken off when not in use.


    Is leaving outside an issue? As I said it’s a south facing wall.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,799 ✭✭✭emaherx


    I leave my crappy diy one outside most of the time, but if I had a good one I probably wouldn't.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,430 ✭✭✭funkey_monkey


    For those with with platforms, Is there any instructive for transiting then between farms? I. E. Should they be transported upside down so that the weigh cells are not loaded and getting shocked from the platform bouncing up and down on it along the road?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,799 ✭✭✭emaherx


    Yea I believe traveling the right way up in the back of the Jeep would wreck them in no time, but a herd of 1000kg animals jumping on them is grand! 🤣



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 22,098 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    Its the vibration more of a problem with a trailer. Just maje sure if an open trailer that any electrics are kept dry during transport

    Slava Ukrainii



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,799 ✭✭✭emaherx


    Whatever about poor wiring, vibration shouldn't be too much an issue for unloaded loadcells. They are fitted to plenty of mobile equipment. Of course anything left loose in a single axle car trailer can get thrown about so no harm in securing it.

    Having said that there is no issue transporting them upside down either, like you say protect from getting wet would be a bigger priority, but they should have waterproof connections anyway.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,882 ✭✭✭memorystick


    I’m thinking of going with the O’Donnell crate and scales. I know some say I shouldn’t leave it outside but I could store the weight scales part in the shed when not in use. Is it heavy to move or could I damage it?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 76 ✭✭Back4more


    I am going to buy for weigh stock as well ,is crate very dear & is it trutest mp600 load bars or heavier type you will buy for it



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,882 ✭✭✭memorystick


    €2970 for weigh crate

    €1500 for scales

    Plus vat


    both weigh 1000 kgs



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,096 ✭✭✭limo_100


    Folks had a batch of cattle weighted a few weeks ago and I was abit disappointed with there weights but I may be at fault for this also I had a herd test and I put in the batch of heifers the night before and there wasn't a lot for them to eat they weren't weighted until about 20hours later the following day - and they where ran out un the morning twice once for the test and once for vaccines. how much weight would they have lost from being in that length of time? heifers weighted from 370-450kg would they have lost 5% stomach weight?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 22,098 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    Depending on how much eaten 4-8%, it's much the same as a mart situation. Water access woild be an iussue as well, if trough was not cleaned they might not have drank either

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,096 ✭✭✭limo_100


    they had a good water supply in fairness. I’m just trying to estimate there weights for to see if they will be fit for the bull this back end. Il add 5% to there weights anyway. Won’t be too far off.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 551 ✭✭✭HHH


    I had a few pet cattle on the farm this year that were very easy to handle. I ran them through the scales morning and evening a few times and there was a much as 40kg in the difference of a 500kg Charolais bullock between morning weight and evening weight ie Empty vs Full Gut.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 72 ✭✭Joebobs


    As a parttime beef farmer would investing in weight scales to be put into a old shoot worth it?not that I don't believe the weights from the beef processor after I sell them cattle 🤔 I think it would be good to be able to get a better system in place. Basically I would have Beef cattle with around 40-45 at peek and would have about 27over the winter.i buy in at around 425kg and they all go to factory



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 22,098 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    I believe they are a critical piece of kit to a beef farmer. It shows what is happening it gives you an idea of difference between factory and marts and. Between different marts and factories. It will siow you how well you are doing weight gain wise

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 72 ✭✭Joebobs


    Thanks was thinking that. My Cold kg ranges around 400kgs with tams 40% it might be worth considering.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 551 ✭✭✭HHH


    How can you manage what you don't measure? Agree with Bass above, it's vital in the beef finishing game, regardless of the scale of your system. Get one, you won't regret it. Just be mindful that you need to be consistent when weighing them. I weigh my feeding stock every 3 or 4 weeks, straight after they get their morning feed so they're quiet and easy to handle. I found through trial and error that gut fill can massively throw the readings out.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,018 ✭✭✭DBK1


    Fully agree with Bass and HHH. The scales is the most important piece of kit on a beef farm if you ask me. It’ll give you an eye opening when it comes to understanding mart weights and kill out percentages too. I’d weigh finishing cattle every 3-4 weeks and sometimes you’ll pick out ones that might only be just about a 3- on fat score so to look at you’d say they’ll carry a bit more but you see they they’re not gaining enough weight to cover the cost of feeding them so out the gate they go.

    I’d disagree with @HHH on one point though, no way would I weigh cattle after feeding them, that’ll really skew your figures. Weigh them when they are on the hungry side is by far the most accurate way to do it. If you sell in the mart they won’t have a full belly going into the ring as they won’t have been fed from when they left your yard a few hours earlier and if you kill in the factory you won’t get paid for the contents of their stomach so there’s no point weighing them at home with full bellies.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,799 ✭✭✭emaherx


    With schemes that require weighing anyway and the cost of rental, surely it's worth buying a scales and weighing a little more often to make use of the data instead of just ticking boxes.

    DIY scales can be put together for a few hundred, or with the TAMS grant the budget end of retail options are probably just as attractive. Add an EID reader and it makes the job a whole lot easier too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 551 ✭✭✭HHH


    I have a Dini Agreo DFWLB, what EID reader would you recommend? Is every animal required to have an EID tag?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,799 ✭✭✭emaherx


    The only EID readers I know for sure work with Dini Argeo are the Agrident/Allfex AWR wands or APR handhelds.
    The AWR 250 and APR 250 are the base models and will work. I presume you have the Bluetooth model DFWLB?


    I have found the initial connection can be a little flakey though, you have to turn them on in the right order or the weights don't transmit after connection, but it will work away fine once you turn them on in order (I can't remember which needs to be first). I'd recommend connecting them and doing one test weight before loading cattle in the crush.

    I've replaced the SPP Bluetooth module in a couple of them with an ESP32 to upgrade them to BLE which has proven more reliable, but once you are aware of the limitation it's not such a big issue either. The ESP32 needed programming, but can be used to connect almost any scales with a serial port too.

    Out of the box every animal needs an EID tag to record weights, but there is an option available to developers which allows adding custom tasks. I could help you out with this.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 551 ✭✭✭HHH


    Thanks, I have the Bluetooth model. I must look into getting an EID reader. It would most likely turn weighing into a 1 man job with a half decent pen and crush system.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,076 ✭✭✭Sacrolyte


    what is the best scales for calves



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,799 ✭✭✭emaherx


    I find it very handy, using a wand that records weight as opposed to a weigh head that does, leaves you with the full control in your hand, which is great for weighing young stock as you can get behind them to push them up to the scales and be able to read the tag, see the weight on the wand screen and choose to capture the weight or not without be physically beside the clock, which as you say makes it easier for one person operation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,799 ✭✭✭emaherx


    Have you a scales already for larger cattle? You shouldn't need a different weigh head/clock for calves v bigger stock as they are the same for cattle/sheep/pigs etc. There is no issue weighing calves in a crate type scales, once they get out I run them through the crush and weigh them this way (but have to block the headgate with a sheet of stok board). But pre weaning I use a disbudding crate just sitting directly on the weigh beams, you can get calf/sheep weighing crates that are better sized for calves.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,399 ✭✭✭Dozer1


    Finally got to sort the clipex crate this weekend



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,031 ✭✭✭leoch


    Fine crate wats ur first impressions has it weigher



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,399 ✭✭✭Dozer1


    The whole lot, job for life hopefully I should have done it first day when I did the yard 3 years ago.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,109 ✭✭✭Conversations 3


    Did you get it through TAMs and how much was it out of pocket in the end?

    I'll looking for the same this year hopefully.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,430 ✭✭✭funkey_monkey


    That's a mighty looking setup you have there. Angled bars to stop them rising in the race too. How do you feed the race - bud box or curved section or other?



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