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US/Israel conduct airstrikes on Iran again

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,216 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    But but but there is no proof of a Greater Israel plan!

    Anti-Semite!

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,530 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    As of March 7th organisations on the ground listed the targets below amongst those which had been bombed…

    5,535 civilian residential units
    1,041 commercial units
    65 schools
    14 hospitals and medical centres
    13 Red Crescent Society bases

    Who knows what it is now.

    But, yeah, let's all pretend that they've just "hit one school, but in a case of mistaken targetting". 🙄

    I dunno, some people one here are incapable of posting anything that isn't drenched in dishonesty.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,689 ✭✭✭yagan


    The markets seem to be acting like the whole thing will uncoil by the weeks end. This negates the fact that Donnie's lizard brain can now see runway for dictatorship. Escalate the Iran standoff, put boots on the ground like Kharg island which is then detonated by Iran, begetting an emergency mobilization in Washington and possibly the draft, which in turn allows Donnie to indefinitely suspend elections.

    And if the Iranians can name a son as successor then so too can the US. It's all sunny uplands in Donnie's head.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,942 ✭✭✭SeanW


    I think we can all agree on one thing: the Trump II foreign policy has been a total mess.

    So Mike Huckabee says “It would be fine if they took it all” or whatever he said … and he represents who in Israel exactly?

    The Israeli government has been clear - their territorial claims do not extend to Jordan, Egypt or Saudi Arabia. Co-incidentally, none of those countries are attacking Israel. The geopolitical analysis I posted is also crystal clear - Israel has its hands full protecting its miniscule postage stamp sized country. The much criticised presentation that Benjamin Netanyahu gave in 2024 to the UN General Assembly explicitly about "The New Middle East" included all of these countries among a group he called "the blessing" while referring to Iran, Iraq, Syria (then a puppet of Iran) etc as "the Curse." What a co-incidence … those countries routinely attack Israel.

    So … no evidence for your nonsensical psychobabble about evil Joos looking for a "Greater Israel" and all the evidence from Israel against it. Your repetition of it is based on nothing but an off-the-cuff remark by a guy who is not Israeli, is not part of its government and does not speak any for its people, let alone the 7+ million Jews who call Israel their home, most of whom know nothing about the conspiracy theory they're supposedly plotting.

    I withdraw my remark that you should post this bilge in Conspiracy Theories, because that was an undue insult to the people who post there. You and the people who thanked your post should hang your heads in shame.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 255 ✭✭Tacitus Kilgore DCLXVI


    So … no evidence for your nonsensical psychobabble about evil Joos looking for a "Greater Israel" and all the evidence from Israel against it.

    They're an expansionist colonial regime, just because you agree with them doesn't change the fact. And really, this constant refrain from you about "Joos" is painful.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,181 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    You claim Iraq and Syria are 2 countries that “routinely attack Israel”.
    Apart from Syria and Iraq in 1973 and Iraq in 1991, 53 years ago and 35 years ago respectively.
    Your “routinely” is doing a lot of heavy lifting.

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,530 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Hubris.

    Remember that the US is run by a narcissistic parasite, high on the smell of his own farts, whose zone of interest barely extends beyond his line of sight and who is, in turn, handled by genuine sociopaths like Stephen Miller, the real driver of US policy. Israel has a genocidal maniac at its helm whose dream of a Jewish hegemony in the middle east has been foremost in his mind since the 1970's. Netanyahu's vision is one of a middle east that is dominated by an Israeli powerhouse regardless of how that is achieved.

    With people like that in power, there's no telling where things are going to go. These are the type of people that would drag entire nations down rather than relinquish their power to better people.

    Three of the most unworthy, reckless and dangerous leaders*, Putin, Trump and Netanyahu, are in control of three powerful nations and they are causing absolute havoc to the stability of the world with their delinquent behaviour.

    If the three of them all had massive, debilitating, strokes in the morning the world would be in a much better place.

    *and I use the word lightly



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,942 ✭✭✭SeanW


    So you claim, but there is zero evidence for the "Greater Israel" conspiracy theory and the map posted a while back is complete and utter twaddle.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 255 ✭✭Tacitus Kilgore DCLXVI




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,785 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    I'm actually quite sick of you using the phrase "evil Joos". It's demeaning.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 255 ✭✭Tacitus Kilgore DCLXVI


    They're actively colonising the West Bank and will probably do the same in Gaza, they've invaded Lebanon and occupy parts of Syria. But yeah, nothing to see here. As usual. And just to preempt your other go to, "the Left".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,785 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Confirmation that Israel had prior warning not to strike oil facilities.

    Of course, Israel wanted to do this for the visual element. Just like Gaza.

    Haaretz:

    An Israeli strike on Iranian oil depots on March 7, which prompted Tehran to target more oil facilities in Saudi Arabia and the UAE and led to a surge in global oil prices, was conducted against the warnings of both President Trump and CENTCOM, according to the New York Times.

    One U.S. official told NYT that Israel believed that the strike against oil depots would stir chaos among Iran's leadership, but the report adds that White House officials were convinced that Netanyahu wanted the image of Tehran "covered in the black smoke of destruction."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,689 ✭✭✭yagan


    Haaretz says that one of the missiles that got through their Iron Dome defense then released 70 bomblets.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,942 ✭✭✭SeanW


    Their position has been clear: they claim to have taken Gaza and the West Bank (which they call Judea and Samaria) in 1967, and they've moved into strategic highlands in Syria to protect their inner core. As for Lebanon, Hezbollah attacked Israel so … yeah of course there's going to be a response.

    My points relate to this map posted earlier, which I contend is absolute nonsense:

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,128 ✭✭✭Homelander


    I would hardly call operations against a territory from which a major military force is constantly launching attacks any kind of proof of an Israeli desire to form a "greater Israel".

    They handed Sinai back to Egypt and peace has held for six decades. I would say if a similar group was operating from Egyptian territory and the Government refused to do anything about it, Israel would not hesitate to step in.

    Personally I think the idea of a vast Lebensraum-esque conspiracy to seize vast tracts of land in neighbouring countries like Saudi Arabia and Egypt to be conspiracy nonsense.

    New slivers of land or buffer zones in Lebanon and Syria and West Bank expansion is far more realistic, not sure why people can't just stick to what's actually happening rather than these bizarre fantasies.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 255 ✭✭Tacitus Kilgore DCLXVI


    Look I get it. In your existential war against "The Left" you'll make any excuse for all sorts of crimes against humanity and violations of international law that Israel engage in.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,181 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    Israel attacked Lebanon almost every day of the ceasefire but you only call out violations of the ceasefire by Hezbollah. A ceasefire which the US helped negotiate by sending an ex IDF tank commander as an impartial “honest broker”.

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,942 ✭✭✭SeanW


    So are you defending the map above posted by threeball?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 255 ✭✭Tacitus Kilgore DCLXVI


    But Hezbollah are Muslims, you have to remember the thought processes that go into these 'arguments'.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 255 ✭✭Tacitus Kilgore DCLXVI


    What map, I don't know what you are talking about. I'm talking about their actual expansionist actions. Don't start this like the other poster did recently and try to claim I'm saying things that I clearly have not.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,216 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Some posters said Israel would leave Gaza after Hamas are defeated. Not true.

    Some posters said Israel did not want to settle the West Bank. Also not true.

    Who owns the Golan Heights?

    Israel will take land from Lebanon. Call it a buffer zone or whatever you want.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,942 ✭✭✭SeanW


    I was responding to a wild conspiracy theory about "Greater Israel" taking huge swathes of the MENA region, and you responded to my response. I had assumed you had seen the map of this "Greater Israel" and were defending it. You may wish to review that map and the post by threeball.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 988 ✭✭✭vswr


    Iran were sticking to everything they declared, which led to the conclusion of the IAEA military dimensions investigation, which was a required precursor to JCPOA in 2015/16.

    In 2018 evidence came to light that Iran hadn't declared all of their nuclear material, and tests at previously undeclared sites came back positive for Uranium isotopes. Iran still hasn't given an explanation (or denial) for their existence.

    This opened the currently ongoing IAEA Safeguards Investigation, which Iran are not fully co-operating with.

    The material suspected to have been used is pre-2003 Uranium (from the initial secret development program).

    In short: Iran lied to get the deal, and won't re-engage in JCPOA until this investigation is closed

    This is all public and available on the IAEA website to see what Iran have and haven't co-operated with, including the nuances of what they have and suspected haven't declared.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 12,189 ✭✭✭✭J Mysterio


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,286 ✭✭✭jackboy


    It could be a way to get a win out of this disastrous war for them. If they annex a chunk of Lebanon then in the long run that will be a success.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,523 ✭✭✭✭smurfjed


    ”Israel will take land from Lebanon. Call it a buffer zone or whatever you want.” Hezbollah doesn't represent Lebanon, so WTF are they getting involved like this?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 255 ✭✭Tacitus Kilgore DCLXVI


    I don't really care about whatever this map is. The fact that you keep defending their expansionist policies isn't surprising, and engaging with you any further on this is clearly pointless because you seem to think Israel is incapable of doing any wrong. Or, worse, you couldn't care less about the wrong they are doing because of the people who are subjected to these wrongs.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,942 ✭✭✭SeanW


    Never said Israel was perfect, but the demonisation of that tiny country goes far beyond anything realistically justifiable.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,053 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    Lavrov mocks US for 'miscalculating' war in Iran.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,128 ✭✭✭Homelander


    But that was exactly my point. People should be talking about the reality of what's either happening or could feasibly happen, not bizarre fantasies like Israel is going to invade Saudi-Arabia and Egypt and carve out an Israeli state 20x its current size.

    This is like saying if Russia wins in Ukraine it's going to somehow implement a plan to then conquer all of Western Europe to the Portuguese coast.

    It is just hysterical conspiracy talk with no actual basis in reality.



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