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Liverpool FC Premier League Champions 25/26 - Talk /Gossip/Rumours

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,438 ✭✭✭✭Fitz*


    As bad as Slot is performing right now, he is still a better option as manager than Gerrard is and he is a hell of an option better than Fowler.

    Leave that ex player sentiment stuff at the door.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,602 ✭✭✭Dr Robert


    I wouldn't let Gerrard manage the under 9s



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,191 ✭✭✭dogbert27


    I think football management has become so formulaic and process driven the specialness of a man manager like Klopp has gone.

    I saw some videos of Kompany in training sessions with Bayern players and he seems to have that old school mentality of management.

    I'm surprised City are looking at Marescha to replace Pep and not sounding out Kompany. You can say any manager should be able to win the German league with Bayern but Tuchel finished 3rd with them in 23/24.

    It said a lot too that Celtic had to go back to Martin O'Neill instead of finding a new modern manager.

    Enrique for me is the only one out there that is top level that I would love us to get but I still think he'll see out his last year of contract and we may miss out on him as we need a new manager this summer.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,770 ✭✭✭theoneeyedman


    'However, the more we are trained by Slot, the weaker, slower, less fit and less aggressive we become.'

    This is the crux of it. Took a while, but for a solid year now, it's been slightly worse by the week. Like boiling a frog, it's gradual effect takes time to be noticed, but it's so clear and obvious now, even VAR might eventually notice it!!

    Don't know about Fowler though, not much of a track record that I can see, but what do I know?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,329 ✭✭✭✭SlickRic


    I hate that it seems that I'm right about this. i'm aware that I looked like a complete díck for months over it, but I really don't revel in the malaise. i'd far prefer to have been wrong, he was just going through a blip, and you could all tell me how stupid I was.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,879 ✭✭✭✭8-10


    I'm wary of Alonso. His title winning season had a lot of lucky 90min goals which is testament to his team and mentality, sure, but was quickly reversed the following season

    He decided to stay at Leverkusen an extra year after the title win:

    First match at home the next season they go 2-0 up in the first half and lose the match.

    2-0 versus Holstein Kiel (yeah, me neither) after 8mins and draw the match by the end

    Twice they take the lead against Werder Bremen, 90min equaliser

    19 shots on goal v Stuttgart. 2.36xG. Draw 0-0

    Winning in the 89th min v Bochum, draw the game

    That was all within the first 10 league games of the season - 11 points dropped from winning positions - and they also threw away a lead at Brest in the CL and got destroyed 4-0 at Anfield without laying a finger on us during that time

    They kept him until the end of the season but they never end up close to challenging and then he leaves for Real Madrid where he has arguments with Perez, Mbappé, Vini Jr and ultimately can't handle the dressing room, and loses again at Anfield this time to a much worse Liverpool side.

    I have concerns over the ego of a few of our players and if it's Xabi of course I'm going to support him, I love the guy and have his signature on a jersey, but I think getting a handle on the mentality of the players is the key next step and I'm not sure I have any more confidence in him over Slot in that regard



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,329 ✭✭✭✭SlickRic


    i also think there is a clutch of managers who want to play a style of football that doesn't suit the players that Liverpool brought in for Klopp. everyone seems to want to play this analytic driven, risk averse, patient style that is ok with relying on set pieces if necessary.

    Salah, VVD, Alisson - 3 of our all-time greats - aren't at their best when they're playing in this way.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,933 ✭✭✭Appletart Upsetter


    Yeah I agree with this.

    The Guardiola era has produced a glut of managers who play broadly the same, can coach a side to a competent level and if they have the correct players can achieve success.

    Where is the coach who will define football tactics for the next generation. We need to find him!

    I do think there is something about the way Iraola plays that could make him a fit for Liverpool. Does he have the personality for such a big club though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,113 ✭✭✭riddles


    ​Klopp was the "Da" of the club; Slot is a lad with a spreadsheet. Edwards and Hughes moved to a "Head Coach" model but forgot to tell the fans that the passion was being replaced by "transactions." They didn't sell the shift from a leader to a coach, so now the atmosphere feels corporate and cold. They also left him to field all the questions about Trent, VVD and Salah's contracts which he shouldn't have had to deal with.

    ​Edwards and Hughes they didn't get him a proper #6 or defensive cover, or proper wide capability which he states he prefers to use.

    ​The Big Game Blunders, he watched Trent get roasted by United at home and didn't hook him; he let Dan Burn bully us in the Cup without a tweak; and that PSG team selection at home meant we ended with the wrong players on the pitch for.penalties when there was a high probability of a shoot out, Kelleher for the penos, would have been a smart move.

    ​Klopp made the kids feel like giants. Slot has killed rotation and indeed consequences for poor performances. Preferring to deploy Dom at right back when other options are available. When you arent using established squad players to rotate no chance your giving youth a chance.

    ​We’ve gone from "Mentality Monsters" to being terrified of a corner. It took far too long to address that problem.

    ​Edwards and Hughes failed to assess quickly enough Slots strenghts but equally his development gaps. His coaching ticket should be padded out with people who could generate the energy we are not seeing now. Perhaps thats him he seems sniffily arrogant in the Dutch way and it seems he is oblivious to those blind spots. People change management in any organisation is a significant challenge and one this highly paid trio seems not to appreciate at all.

    The Jota tragedy and the departure of characters from the dressing room blew away the last of the Klopp spirit and exposed the new culture in the group and Slots change in direction.

    But that said its over for Slot now his run way of time has exceeded his learning gaps unfortunately. But as I said before he has bagged a league title and at least we arent Arsenal reduced to what they are at almost 1 bn later to scrape accross the line so hats off to him for that. He heads back to the Netherlands a rich man. Its mad to think we will never see really what his game was really about or if he even knew. Or indeed woukd it be effective in the current football cycle.

    Not sure what comes next there are no sure things out there as replacements. Flick, Enrique or Alonso are the main choices.

    ​If we want the Klopp vibes back, Flick is closest. He’s playing a high defensive line, relentless pressing. He trusts youth (he’s built a Barca team of kids) and he’s an "arm around the shoulder" leader, not a spreadsheet guy. His style is high-risk. If you don't have the right defenders, you get caught out constantly. Something the way the PL is gone could be a challenge.

    ​Enrique is all about possession, "3-2-5" shapes, and absolute control. He’s a winner and he’s tough as nails. He wouldn't take any nonsense from Edwards or Hughes. A bit cold and obsessed with possession not a man to admire a scrappy error ridden gritty 3-2.

    Alonso had a tough time at Madrid legendary stint with Leverkuesen can work with Wirtz clearly and if we want him to be the centre of a new team it makes sense. Some have mentioned his three at the back.and slow build up as an issue but he might be pragmatic enough to change something we dont see from Slot. He knows Anfield and the City and can work on a budget certainly something we have to do if we dont bag CL football. But no easy choices and big task to rebuild that sqaud.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 863 ✭✭✭FernandoTorres


    I think the money element has led to the PL becoming so stale. I don't remember seeing a good game this season and I've watched a fair few non Liverpool games. Comparing that to watching the likes of PSG, Real and Barca in the CL it's like a different game. There's so much private equity and state money tied up the in PL and the level of teams is so high that you inevitably get a very risk averse mentality. Really hope something starts to change soon as it's becoming a chore to watch. Think I'll just go back to watching those classics from the Klopp v Pep days on repeat!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,847 ✭✭✭✭noodler


    I'm not gonna say I 100% wanted him gone since November because I was never that decisive but I couldn't find a single positive to hang my hat on going forward.

    Klopp''s early years had very clear improvements in style, success, mentality everything.

    It's never been clear what we wanted to do with the personel imo.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,611 ✭✭✭Girly Gal


    Firstly regarding the season after winning the league at Leverkusen, they had a nett spend that summer of about 20million (spent around 53 million and sold 33 Million), compare that with our spend last summer! Also Leverkusen as a club are not accustomed to success so they were always going to drop off the following season and of course Bayern were always going to respond to not winning the league.

    Regarding his time at Madrid, he actually had a good record there, but, player power ultimately cost him, its not the first and certainly not the last time that will happen at Madrid, so wouldn't really judge him on his time there.

    It's always a risk changing the manager, but, of who is available and who is gettable Alonso is as good as what's out there. The biggest risk is sticking with Slot next season.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 339 ✭✭redoctober


    A lot of it probably comes down to lack of experience. Slot doesn't seem to know how to manage the players and as you say he seems to be a spreadsheet manager. Personally i would prefer a more human Manager. Liverpool is a club built on heart. That's why klopp was a perfect fit. But ultimately the football has been dire. Even last season it was quite boring most of the time but effective. I hoped that it would get better with time but it's been the opposite. This season has been a train wreck. And even the first 5 games were lucky late wins or grind-it-out affairs



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 12,189 ✭✭✭✭J Mysterio


    Alonso should be a no brainer.

    A Liverpool Club legend who won virtually everything there was to win as a player, bar the Premier League. A World Cup and European Cup winner. A clever player with style and class who was hard working and didn't shirk a tackle.

    He has said himself he will be a life long Liverpool fan, and apparently encouraged his children to follow Liverpool, at least one of which were born in Liverpool.

    As a manager, he performed an absolute miracle at Leverkusen with an invincible season where he won the league and the cup (the clubs first ever league title) despite little overall investment.

    It was under Alonso that Wirtz flourished. He would presumably get the best out of both him and Frimpong, and use them more effectively. We have all seen Wirtz is a very good player, but we haven't seen that many great performances from him, particularly in justifying the investment.

    Alonso has shown flexibility in tactics as a manager with 4-3-3, 4-2-3-1, 3-4-3, 3-4-2-1 all employed. Presumably we would be able to play more than one formation under Alonso, and would not cry about low blocks, which are to be expected.

    Despite his reported difficulties with the divas at Real Madrid, he speaks well and is said to be a good man manager, something we need desperately.

    Apparently one of the reasons the likes of Vinicius JR and Mbappe were upset is Alonso expected them to work hard in training at systems and formations and to maintain a high level of fitness, something they didn't appreciate, but we need badly.

    Again, it's a no brainer for me. The longer we delay, the more likely it is he will find another job, and what will the options be then?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,611 ✭✭✭Girly Gal


    Outside of Liverpool and City, how good was the rest of the league though, we probably weren't playing too close attention as we were in the thick of title challenges and CL runs, but, take us and City out of that era and the rest of the league was probably fairly poor. Granted the top teams play dreadful stuff now too, so it probably feels a lot worse, plus the fact we are one of the worst teams in the league to watch doesn't help our perception of the league



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,879 ✭✭✭✭8-10


    World class midfielder who scored in Istanbul miracle and won everything bar the PL with us. A clever player with style and class who was hard working and didn't shirk a tackle.

    As a manager he went on to win a league title with an invincible season despite being in league dominated this century by a single rival club who outspend the rest of the league.

    Lifelong Liverpool fan who's kids were born in the city. Legend in the eyes of the fans.

    Welcome home Stevie G



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 12,189 ✭✭✭✭J Mysterio


    Very droll, bravo



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,404 ✭✭✭ebbsy


    I am all over the place this season.

    Too many new players for Slot to handle.

    Injuries.

    Late goals conceded.

    Jota.

    The treatment of the likes of Elliott and Chiesa.

    Help !!!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 327 ✭✭Libertine07


    Alonso would get us playing with far more intensity, that's for sure.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,430 ✭✭✭funkey_monkey


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    That's a tough final 4 games for us and away to Everton too. I see possibilities for dropping lots of points there. Villa have it worse though.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,847 ✭✭✭✭noodler


    I literally can't be confident a win in any of those fixtures at the moment.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,773 ✭✭✭SteM


    The goal differences seem to be incorrect in that apart from Liverpool. Maybe not taking taking the weekend matches into account?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 12,189 ✭✭✭✭J Mysterio


    Didn't realise this Legends match happened there a fortnight ago - an enjoyable watch.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,879 ✭✭✭✭8-10


    It happened in 2019 - https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/109753572/#Comment_109753572

    Legends game is always the March international break. In a couple of weeks it's our Legends v Dortmund and Klopp is assistant manager



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,602 ✭✭✭Dr Robert


    The first change Slot most make immediately is put Szoboszlai back in midfield permanently.

    Our midfield is a problem this season and the best performing one is still at right back, despite having a fit RB at the club.

    Crazy stuff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 12,189 ✭✭✭✭J Mysterio




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,847 ✭✭✭✭noodler


    Then tell him to stop dawdling on the ball and playing backwards passses



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78 ✭✭Dublin_Anthony_2025


    remember the days when a win was almost a certainty with Klopp , used to love putting on the games and seeing his big angry growl or laugh and his fist pumps , those were the days

    Alonso should be the man next up i feel , like all the posters above have mentioned etc

    unlike slot , Alonso know's what this club is about , he has it in his veins , he's have us fitter etc

    personally i'd like to get him in now and see out the rest of the season and give him a headstart for next season , let him bring stevie in as assistant manager because stevie wouldn't sit back on take the half arsed effort the boys are giving now



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,924 ✭✭✭Damien360


    I would like to see Alonso in now also. Can he get a tune out of the current squad would be the question. If he couldn't, blame can be handed to Slot and we restart in the new season.

    Also, the world cup will be an issue for pre-season as it's in the way. Injury seems to follow big tournaments also. Players will want rest. So bring him in now to get a grounding.

    I think we will either loose or 0-0 draw with Gala so we will be out either way. I don't see any fight in the team right now. We may need the new manager bounce to get CL football for next season.

    Talk of either Gerard, Fowler or god forbid Carragher (was he mentioned) is crazy stuff. Of that lot, Gerard is most qualified and that's a stretch.

    Time for a change.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 176 ✭✭ozzy78


    I don't understand anyone calling for Gerrard to be brought in. Are people just seeking a nostalgia hit by bringing Gerrard in? Trying to recapture a few glorious moments of their youths? Stevie has shown no managerial acumen to be even linked to another premier League team let alone the Liverpool job. I think Alonso is the sensible choice and I agree it would be wise to get him now before the end of the season to help him figure out who to keep for next season and to make sure another top team doesn't swoop in and get him.



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