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Manchester United Thread 25/26 - Teamtalk/Transfers/Gossip Mod Note in OP 12.02.26

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,397 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    I'd imagine that what the club don't want is to continue paying £350k a week, especially not for a 34 year old midfielder who will absolutely struggle when the number of games increases.

    I'd keep Casemiro as a backup, but only if that weekly wage dropped way, way, way down.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,296 ✭✭✭green daries


    Ya I agree re wages and maybe he didn't want to entertain whatvwas being offered or maybe he has other personal reasons for moving on he would be a fantastic person to hold onto for another season but the wages would probably have to drop under the 200k



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,577 ✭✭✭✭PARlance


    We look almost certain of European football next year, time to adjust our mindset that a new signing will mean "dropping" X over Y. We need 4 senior CMs minimum for next season imo, with an academy player covering as a 5th opinion occasionally. At present, it looks like we have Mainoo and Ugarte as senior players for those spots.

    Re Ineos / Wages, they're probably looking at it that they can bring in 2 CMs and maybe have some change from Casemiro's wages.

    It seems they've been negotiating a lower contract with Maguire, I assume they tried the same with Casemiro but he wasn't having it. I suspect he'll get a massive 3 year deal in Saudi vs a reduced 1 year deal with us. Financially, it's a no brainer for him I imagine and that's why there was such an early decision / announcement.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,397 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    I'd say closer to 100k. If we get through the summer transfer window and don't have 2 new midfielders placed ahead of Casemiro in the selection order then the club will have fucked up yet again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,577 ✭✭✭✭PARlance


    Wages and contract length will be the considerations for him I imagine. He'll get silly money in Saudi and more importantly, he'll get silly money for 3 years. He won't be getting such a lengthy contract from anyone in Europe.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,673 ✭✭✭✭johnnyryan89


    Yeah there was something mentioned that if he starts X number of games the extension becomes automatic.

    Yup it's start 35 games in all competitions and he's got 27 starts with 8 games left. I'd say he'll still walk even if he automatically was given an extra year since INEOS didn't want him to stay.

    You can rotate Mainoo and Casemiro. Even with the extra legs in midfield we could go from a 40 game season to 50+. Casemiro wouldn't start every game like he has now. Wages will be an issue but I can see him returning to Brazil. He'll surely have to take a massive paycut for that move or any move possibly.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 625 ✭✭✭kyleman


    People keep comparing Casemiro to Maguire but their contract situations are completely different.
    Maguire’s contract is up so he can reduce his wages to suit both parties but Casemiro has an option of an extra year on his present wages so no reason for him to say he will play for less and who can blame him.
    if we get 1 or 2 athletic midfielders and then rotate Casemiro and Mainoo it would seem perfect if we are playing twice per week but still don’t think Ineos will take up the Casemiro option as I think it’s well known he would have been offloaded to Saudi if they had to get their way over the last few seasons.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,125 ✭✭✭Bleating Lamb


    If you put yourself in Casemiro's shoes,if he leaves in the Summer he leaves on a high after having a very good Season.

    Whereas if he stays on next Season on a reduced wage,he is likely to get less game time and have less of an impact as a squad member.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 19,443 Mod ✭✭✭✭Trigger


    It's a good sign when a team can play ok/bad (I personally thought we were grand) control a game and win handsomely imo. At this point in the season the only things that matters are 3 points.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,397 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    He is 34 though, he is just getting the same choice that all players at the end of their career have to deal with.

    No contender is paying him big money to join them so what is he going to do? The magic Saudi money tree isn't looking too good at the minute so is it just a case of which retirement league he wants to join?

    His gametime is going to reduce no matter what, because he doesn't have the legs for a full schedule in any team of note. United aren't that far away from being a big club again, there are worse places for an aging midfielder to be than playing a squad role on great wages for a Manchester United back in the CL.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,673 ✭✭✭✭johnnyryan89


    And just because he's got the option of an extra year doesn't mean you can't negotiate with him on a new contract for less wages. From the outside looking in it seems that didn't happen as they outright decided they had no intentions of keeping him beyond this season.

    Maybe are their comments about transfers labeling some players not good enough and overpaid they don't want to backtrack on that. But then again Brexit Jim did say he wants to give Amorim 3 years to prove himself and that didn't last very long before backtracking.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 35,764 ✭✭✭✭The_Kew_Tour


    Football didn't start in 1993. United had some outstanding players before that.

    EVENFLOW



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,600 ✭✭✭IncognitoMan


    The issue is you can't offer Casemiro a new deal or even extend on 350k but then sign a new midfielder(s) to replace him in the starting 11 on half that. No agent is going to agree to that deal.

    We want to get our players on more sensible contracts so extending for a year on 350K is a no go, no matter how good he is playing right now.

    I'd offer Casemiro a 1 year rolling deal similar to what Giggs and Scholes used to get.
    100-120K per week with a nice appearance fee / win bonus. He'll (hopefully) get to play CL football again and could pick up a trophy.

    He won't get another offer anywhere at a decent level on those figures.
    If he'd rather head off into the sunset on a bigger wage at a lower level then thank him for his services and let him go.

    Let's call a spade a spade here, he's going to drop off again in the near future due to age so we don't need to go all out.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,133 ✭✭✭keeponhurling


    At age 34, Casemiro is going to get worse and not better.

    Cannot justify high wages for him. He can barely complete 90 minutes once a week, let alone play two games a week.

    Same with Maguire, who is also becoming very injury-prone.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,438 ✭✭✭✭loyatemu


    I'm inclined to agree, he's still capable of producing great performances but at most once a week and that's only going to decline. Carrick seems to favour a stable first XI, even allowing for greater rotation next season having a player is can't play twice a week is going to make things awkward for the manager.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,674 ✭✭✭El Gato De Negocios


    I mean we have a living, breathing example being played out in the league currently in Salah. World class last year, became the highest paid player in Liverpools history during the summer and he has less league goals this season than TWO Burnley players. Thanks for the memories Uncle Cas but adios.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,577 ✭✭✭✭PARlance




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,307 ✭✭✭AidoEirE


    Id keep him for the year, even on the wages he's on.

    5 x CL winner, that experience is invaluable for the squad that don't have that much experience in the CL.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,625 ✭✭✭✭StringerBell


    I think Casemiro leaving is the right thing for all concerned. He gets to go out on a high, club need to move on and we don't see him get torn apart as the legs disappear with a heavier schedule next year. His experience and ability to get on the end of set pieces in both boxes is going to be missed massively, one of them absolutely has to be replaced.

    He will go out on a high, he can play the squad role on a much reduced contract but I can't see someone with his mentality being happy with that, 20/25 games a year kind of thing. His earning potential and the ability to play where the pace is slower will surely be too much of a draw.

    "People say ‘go with the flow’ but do you know what goes with the flow? Dead fish."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,535 ✭✭✭kowloonkev


    No sh*t.

    Would be surprised though if more than a couple of people here could really make a fair comparison, apart from shouting out names they'd never really seen play. Unless we have season ticket holders from the 80's or before.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 922 ✭✭✭ngunners


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    Bruno is insane. Don’t want to hear a bad word about him again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,404 ✭✭✭✭DrPhilG


    Comms was a doozy, all the Onana flashback references were gold..

    Plus he (and the post above) are right. Bruno may be a whinger but he's absolute gold and it's a crying shame that his talent was only with us in such a poor spell for the club.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,614 ✭✭✭Charlie69


    You could be right but obviously you don’t have to have been a season ticket holder from that time to remember the players from a certain era.

    Bryan Robson would have played with a lot of the names mentioned and although technically Robbo did win the league with United , it came right at the end of his career when his role on the pitch had severely diminished. By the time he won the title in the early nineties he was no longer the absolute driving force he had been throughout the previous decade for us . Although I have no doubt he continued to have a massive influence on the dressing room and I remember a home video that Steve Bruce made of the title run in showing Robsons leadership qualities in driving everyone on in the dressing room before and after games. That would have been invaluable to a squad learning how to win.

    For those who didn’t watch him week in week out, I don’t think younger United fans fully appreciate just how good Robson was in the eighties. He wasn’t just a talented midfielder, he was a monster for us and was the heart beat of that team. He could do it all… tackle, pass, score great goals and drag the side forward almost single handedly at times. It wasn’t a great time for United fans and we always seemed to fall short in the league but Robson was the one player that gave us hope and made us competitive.

    In fact his fitness, or lack of it due to frequent injuries often felt like the difference between winning and losing. When he was in the team we felt like we could beat anyone. ( The Barcelona comeback in 84 was incredible) When he was missing we weren’t the same team and that edge disappeared.

    So for me although he got his league medal eventually , the real Bryan Robson at his peak never quite got the rewards his performances deserved. People talk about what a great captain Roy Keane was for us, and rightly so but he learned from the best.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,572 ✭✭✭fatherted1969


    My favourite memory of Utd in the 80s is that comeback match v Barcelona



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,442 ✭✭✭waywill1966


    My all time favourite United moment was the Jimmy Greenhoff winner v them in the 79 cup semi.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,296 ✭✭✭green daries


    Ya I remember some of hes last full games and also the games he was missing from they were night and day i have memories of him coming on a a sub and winning the game singlehandedly he was a real real world class midfielder



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 35,764 ✭✭✭✭The_Kew_Tour


    The cup finals were insane in 70s and 80s. Like they were treated like Cl finals now.

    Such a pity that its still not same although some will point to United not playing in 2000 as reason but think things were changing rapidly then anyway.

    94 is still my fondest. My first time seeing United lift a trophy at old Wembley. 96 I was far more nervous. 94 was fonder in the memory even if only kid.

    EVENFLOW



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,397 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    Those games were bigger because they were rarer, something that FIFA/UEFA and even our own GAA don't really seem to understand.

    It used to be an event to watch a big game and that inherently created excitement. Now we are saturated with games and so none of them matter a **** to anybody. Who cares about any result when there will be another one along in a minute.

    Then they also removed the exclusivity. Now everyone is in the CL, the world cup is being expanded, you no longer have to do much to earn a spot in them. If it isn't a challenge to get there then it won't mean as much to arrive.

    United not playing in 2000 didn't ruin the FA cup, the wider management of the game did that.

    They should take a few notes from the NFL. 17 game season, over and done in a matter of months. Biggest sport in the world in terms of revenue. Less is more.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,156 ✭✭✭jayo44




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,438 ✭✭✭✭loyatemu


    If the question is "who is the best United player to not win the league" the answer is not Bryan Robson who has 2 PL medals.

    Bruno is clearly the standout player of the current 13 year drought, who was the best of the 26 year gap before 92/93, and who wasn't around in 93 or 67 (I don't think anyone here can give a genuine opinion on pre-Busby players)? Paul McGrath? Lou Macari? Whiteside?

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