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Liverpool FC Premier League Champions 25/26 - Talk /Gossip/Rumours

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,327 ✭✭✭✭klose


    I don’t think it’s unreasonable to say that keeping on Slot at this stage could end up with us spending years in the doldrums. We are a busted flush, he is blessed Chelsea and villa are falling over themselves aswell giving us feint hope of CL football next season.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,169 ✭✭✭giveitholly


    Why the need to personally insult a man who won us no. 20? It's funny there was no sign of ye last season when we won the title,but think ye are cool or edgy insulting the man,actually says more about ye than anything else.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,453 ✭✭✭jones


    I wouldn't go that strong that it was in spite of Slot but I definitely feel that Klopp's foundations were built on with tinkering from Slot and that's what won us the league (combined with a lot of the big teams having an off season).

    However it's clear whatever Slot is selling no one is buying anymore and really has been on display for the last year. There's plenty of blame to go around in terms of recruitment but I can't see anyway in which Slot stays on after this summer. We aren't going to win a thing and doubt we'll even get top 5.

    We are an inconsistent mess of a team with no identity, no defined way of playing apart from safety first at all times and we aren't even doing that well. The thing that drives me mad is that Slot never seems to take any responsibility for issues it's almost as if it's nothing to do with him. Even after the match he was asked about the booing he responded that he guessed it was directed at the team. Just like his moaning about teams playing low blocks etc etc oh sure that's nothing to do with me I'm just the manager. Wtf.

    When most of the team are out of form at the same time there is usually another problem and I think it has to be the manager who's first on the chopping block.

    He did well last season but his time is up.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,360 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    I'd give it to Fowler until end of season. He could get em going. It's his time

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,461 ✭✭✭Floppybits


    I can't see them changing manager till the end of the season. Agree with a lot of folks saying we need an overhaul and a lot of players need to be moved on.

    Can someone explain to me what does Gakbo have on Slot that he keeps starting him? He hasn't offered anything to the team the whole season, I feel like when we play with him and Salah we are playing every game with 9 men. Finally today he made changes and yet Gakbo was still in the team.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,360 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    I'd love to find a manager from within, sometimes you can stumble upon something that just clicks, and works.

    I was delighted with the level of progression during my first season because it reaffirmed my belief that I am able to build exciting teams to watch that also encompass a strong team spirit while doing what is expected of any team, winning.

    “After that first season, I set a target for myself of becoming a Premier League manager within the next five years, but COVID stopped my progress in Brisbane, and I had to return home.

    “Prior to the season ending, I won two Manager of the Month awards and was on the verge of a third one just as the season stopped.

    I was offered the Al-Qadsiah job in Saudi Arabia

    “The team were in the Saudi First Division at the time and my job was to build a team that was capable of winning promotion to the Saudi Pro League.

    “I was enthusiastic about the challenge, and we had an unbelievable start with the players we had.

    “I implemented an attacking style of play, and we were the team to beat within the First Division. In my eight games in charge, we won six and drew two, so I was unbeaten during my time at the club.

    “Unfortunately, after eight games, I was replaced by a Spanish head coach because the sporting director made it clear to the ownership that his preference was to have a fellow Spaniard as the head coach going forward.

    “I was very disappointed with how the role ended. Of course, I understand how football works but I felt that it was uncalled for especially given the squad that I built and the start to the season that we had.

    “The team that I left behind went on to win promotion to the Saudi Pro League and I am proud to have played a part in that even if I am disappointed that I was not given the opportunity to see the job through.”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 339 ✭✭redoctober


    How many men would you like to see in the team? ;-)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,461 ✭✭✭Floppybits


    At the moment we could play with 22 and still not win.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,174 ✭✭✭54and56


    Not sure taking a page out of the Man U playbook is a good idea 🫣



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 537 ✭✭✭WealthyB


    I predicted mid table mediocrity on here when we hired Slot. My mistake was I didn't factor Klopp muscle memory getting us two thirds of the way through a season in which there were no real challengers, at which point we had an uncatcheable lead by the time the effects of Slot's training regime and lack of any playing identity starting taking real root. But for 12 months this team has been in steady decline to one that's patently unfit, and with no visible identity bar hoping for moments of individual magic. It scarily resembles Ten Haag ball.

    Slot is utterly out of his depth and prolonging this failed expirement is doing more damage by the week. Having a supporter referring to his spoofing ways in an irreverent fashion is the least of our problems right now; Slot should have been sacked the week of the Forest and PSV debacles, and the Superfan brigade who have spent months falling back on old reliables such as "we're not a sacking club" (no club is a sacking club until they are) or "give him time, he won a league" can shoulder responsibility for some of the many defeats since November.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 890 ✭✭✭SodiumCooled


    Grav signed a new long term contract a few days ago, he is going nowhere nor should he.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,847 ✭✭✭✭noodler


    There is obviously no need to insult Slot but it is infuriating to hear him say we played well.

    Delusions, lies? I honestly don't know.

    I dont see us making mass changes to personnel, 3 or 4 for sure. Alot of these lads deserve a chance to see if it was just one bad season or the manager's instructions.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,169 ✭✭✭giveitholly


    How in the name of God can some "Superfans" as you call them be responsible for some of the results since November? Like seriously random people on the Internet are now one of the reasons for such poor form?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,395 ✭✭✭jesuisjuste


    It’s clear that when Slot came in last season, he had a few positive elements that he brought to the team, and the carry over in individual & collective confidence and fitness from Klopp enabled the team to go on and win it. I would attribute the title to both of them.

    If anything it’s probably Slots poorer man management, but perhaps better straight talking, that enabled a few direct conversations and tweaks to the team to give them everything needed to win the title.

    However then on an individual level some players started dropping off, and Slot wasn’t doing anything to bring them back up, so like dominos it all started to fall apart, from weaker players, through to even VVD looking shaky.

    In the end only a handful of extremely confident players were left performing well enough, like Szobo, and Eketike. It’s notable that the dam burst with Eketike’s sending off back in September.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 619 ✭✭✭bdmc16


    I do think ppl are being harsh saying that Slot won the league off klopp foundation. Slot brought Grav out of his shell and made him of the best midfielders in the prem last season . Its was a remarkable emergence.

    It was actually evident if you watched our 1st game vs Ipswich that Slot played a very controlled slower brand off football and we had many lumbering first half last that last season. The difference was we figured out teams in the 2nd half and our incredibly depth up forward in Jota, Diaz, Nunez, Gapko and Salah in ballon Dor form until Feb that season always found a way.

    Taking Trent and so much of that attack away , all that direct pace and creativity is gone and this slower controlled football really become evident. It’s doesn’t suit the club or the players we have . We went all in on Writz & Isak, it hasn’t worked this season, it’s truth its been a disaster . Isak unavailable for most of it for 125m is beyond what anyone would have imagined and Writz had shown flashes of the generational talent we know he had but still not enough. The team is deeply unbalanced and with legends like VVD, Robbo, Salah and even Ali all showing signs of their time at the club is near its end and with Konate likely gone on a free I genuinely worry we in huge trouble. While I’m extremely grateful to Slot for number 20 , he’s not the man to guide this rebuild but I’m totally convinced he’ll be here for rest of this season and will definitely be supported in the summer to go again next season. He’s not going anywhere



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,847 ✭✭✭✭noodler


    I honestly don't think it is anymore and, although not a popular view, the passsge of time seems to give it more credence imo.

    We managed similar points in 25 as 24, team was the same, main difference was a City collapse (and Mo's wonder year).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 537 ✭✭✭WealthyB


    I believe the phrase is "an enabler". There is an influential and very vocal cohort of Liverpool supporters that prioritise being virtuous and being seen to inhabit a higher moral ground to other supporters, even if this leads to them taking up positions that are of detriment to the club and team. Any results driven club would have sacked Slot post Forest without a hint of sentimentality. But we had the likes of TAW and the RedmenTV etc for months on end defending the indefensible, telling people not to believe their lying eyes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,371 ✭✭✭brevity


    Both TAW and Redmen have said he should be replaced. Not every member of those channels said the same thing but a lot of the main presenters did.

    Slot got time because of what happened in the summer and because he won the league. Maybe that time is up but there is a lot of bs and revisionism going on at the minute



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 619 ✭✭✭bdmc16


    I Do understand the point of view but the points total in fairness dropped off because the league was sown up well before end of season. The players were literally on holidays before each of last few games.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 537 ✭✭✭WealthyB


    TAW and Redmen have only adopted "Slot out" positions in the last few weeks when the groundswell of opinion left them looking like outliers. Until that point, they did their usual Pravda-esque defending of eveything at the club week in week out. It was obvious to most post Forest/PSV there was something deeply wrong, but those same outlets lauded the "unbeaten run" that followed as being proof of some green shoots of recovery when it was anything but.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,847 ✭✭✭✭noodler


    True, but similarly the points totals by mid March were very similar.

    The main difference being it meant we had the title in the bag in 25 whereas it meant we were in a 3-way title race in 24.

    (we also dropped off at the end of 23/24 of course)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,360 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


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    A change of manager can work wonders. Fowler knows all these players, interacts constantly with them all, and they respect him , he's a people person like Klopp, if we go out Wednesday, I'd have him in until end of season. Only God can save us now



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,191 ✭✭✭dogbert27


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,329 ✭✭✭✭SlickRic


    It's quite clear what happened last year.

    Klopp's foundation of energy, fitness and aggression, merged with Slot's tactical tweaks, and there was a beautiful crossover, aligned with Salah's 6 months of genius.

    However, the more we are trained by Slot, the weaker, slower, less fit and less aggressive we become. The 'rest defence' he employs is bonkers. We ran 9km less than Spurs yesterday - simply unacceptable. We're giving up late goals by the hatful. The fitness muscle memory is gone.

    The guy is utterly out of his depth for the job at hand, has no idea what made the team elite, and it's been a painful decline since March / April last year.

    I don't want to see him in the dugout anymore. It's done.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,679 ✭✭✭Luxembourgo


    Gakpo was our best player second half yesterday

    Taking him off for Nyoni infuriated me



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,453 ✭✭✭jones


    Lads I think most are in agreement Slot should go (now or in the summer) but this Gerrard/Fowler talk is bonkers.

    Klopp as caretaker until the end of the season please then go for a Alonso/Enrique type 🤞



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,933 ✭✭✭Appletart Upsetter


    I think you're probably on the money. I felt we needed to be patient with the manager and give his ideas time to develop. Especially with all of the changes in personnel and events of the summer.

    Ultimately, I've been wrong about Slot. I don't see him having the wherewithal to change this.

    I've started to think already about who might extract more from this team. It's not about tactics so much as personality. We need someone who gets them at it, plays with intensity, at Anfield especially.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,611 ✭✭✭Girly Gal


    I agree with this assessment, it seems Slot made a few tweaks initially to what was already there, and it worked, almost like a new manager bounce. I think by the end of Klopp's time , he was clearly spent, and once players knew he was leaving, performances tailed off in the last few months, but, there was still a strong squad there and Slot as a new voice refreshed the squad initially -a bit like Carrick has at United - and that carries us through until about February last season, when performances noticeably dropped, we were still getting results in the league and because we had no real challenger, a lot ignored it or chose not to see it, because well, we won the league quite easily, but, the signs were there from about February of last year onwards.

    Obviously Jota's death in the summer has had an unquantifiable affect on the squad, something that's very difficult to know how it has truly affected the squad and even Slot himself, so, I can see why most are not willing to be too critical, but, it's also quite clear that it's no longer working, there are huge problems at the club, how we play, squad depth and squad use, player recruitment etc., etc. Very hard to see how Slot gets past the summer- if Gala knock us out, he really should be replaced over international break- really and truly we shouldn't even be in contention for CL places, but, that's more down to other teams around us being so poor, rather than anything we are doing ourselves. Slot deserves massive credit for winning the title last season, but, for the long term good of the club and I suspect himself ( he can't be enjoying it atm) he needs to be replaced sooner or later, definitely no later than summer as we can't afford to drag this malaise into next season. Whoever takes over has a massive job on their hands, as the squad is so unbalanced and will likely be a fair bit of turn over during the summer.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,933 ✭✭✭Appletart Upsetter


    The big issue is the lack of top quality coaches out there.

    When Liverpool picked up Slot and United got Amorim, the general consensus was that 2 of the best young coaches available were coming to the Premier League. Who are the coaches everyone wants now?

    Alonso is probably top of the pile and is available so seems the obvious replacement.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,611 ✭✭✭Girly Gal


    They were, but, what had they really done at the elite level, before appointed, there's a huge difference between the Dutch and Portuguese leagues, it wasn't the same as Klopp, Pep, Mourinho and Conte going to Liverpool, City, United and Chelsea around a decade ago, all were proven managers in one of the big leagues and in Europe, Alonso is the closest to that level and is available, so is the obvious answer. Will Alonso work at Liverpool, I don't know, but, I think worth the risk over keeping Slot for next season.



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