NCT REPORT: FAIL DANGEROUS

A fail sheet isn't a certificate tho is it?

I can't find the sheet that came with my dangerous fail a year ago but I think it only said they may inform the Gardai, no that they will.

Either way, they made no attempt to stop me driving off.

That's what they say in a press release, but does not match what they say in section 6 of the NCT manual - which is that they only contact the guards if the owner states the intrntion to drive.

And as stated above they failed dangerous 133,000 in 2024, so their categorisation of dangerous is bogus, and the guards are not chasing these 133,000 cars.

Edit to add - its the NCT manual which they must follow, not their press releases.

even before the NCT, it was unlawful to drive a car at least one of whose tyres was below the minimum tread depth. This remains the case; 2 points and €80 for an FPN or up to €5k and 5 points if it went to court. The validity or not if the NCT cert is an irrelevance. That’s not what any FPN or prosecution would be for. Traditionally you would have had a spare tyre to change. Alternatively there are mobile tyre fitters. Don’t think it is even possible to argue you can travel around for 30 days. You certainly would get short shrift it it was picked up as it’s not that you were unaware of the position.

Again, if you read back you would realise that fail dangerous by the Nct is now devalued and bogus, (since 2018) with roughly 4,000 in 2014 which are probably genuinely dangerous and now 133,000 in 2024 which are largely spurious, but masking a small percentage genuinly dangerous - though all still needing repair.

And the RSA/NCT operating a don't ask/don't tell policy, devaluing their own relevance, integrity, and usefulness.

Surely the NCT manual has been revised and things that are now a fail dangerous issue weren't even considered in 2014.

Will just weigh in here a bit as someone with a bit of experience in some matters discussed here.

Attached is a cropped image for a vehicle with a failed NCT. Our mobility app changed the NCT status to expired when a vehicle fails regardless of wether or not it had time left on the current disc. If you get tested and fail then the previous disc is no longer valid and you can be done for not having a valid/current disc.

Also getting a new one within the 10 days production time is of no use because the demand is made that you produce documentation to show you had valid NCT/Insurance/tax at the time you were stopped and not after it.

If your NCT is out you will get leeway if its not out of date a ridiculous amount of time and generally if you can show a booking for a retest. You'll get very little leeway if you have a fail and haven't fixed the issues and booked a new test, ESPECIALLY with tires as they are very easy to examine on the spot.

The mobility app has changed the game for us as far as roads policing is concerned with the amount of detail available to us.

I think people need to realise that NCT have no say in what is classed as fail or fail dangerous. They merely implement changes decided by the RSA. They don’t just decide one day that a tyre is now a fail dangerous or that an insecure steering rack gaiter is now a paid retest instead of a visual.

That is dealt with in the post above.

The opinion of the NCT has no legal validity on whether the car is dangerously defective. Only the guards can make that call, and it appears (from what has been shown of the app) that the guards only know if the NCT may be expired or not.

And again, the guards cannot seek out this 133,000/850,000 per year.

And to misquote: A few fail dangerous are manageable, but 133,000 is a statistic.

Edit to add -It's good you agree implicitly/explicitly with the rest of my post(s)- and haven't dug up any law or anything else to superseed it etc.

Therefore, now will you answer if the 133,000 cars should be trailered away from the NCT centre?

I had checked my tyres with the indicator on the tyre and thought it was ok but close, and was planning to change it and its pair, but was waiting till after the NCT to see if they came up with anything else,especially on the other tyres. Previous to 2018 that would have been fine and just a fail, but now it's a fail dangerous and associated scare tactics that is galling.

I drove it to the tyre place,new tyres and back for visual retest within the hour.

Theoritically,if I listened to the NCT I should have had it trailered it away which is in my opinion ridiculous, though appears to be supported on this forum. They are fully aware that most of the 133,000 do not trailer their cars away, but it's some sort of pretense - one of these terrible "Oirish" solutions, again which seems to be supported on this forum.

I do actually carry a tyre dept gauge!

You're right, we don't specifically use the app to prosecute....but it gives us grounds to investigate further.

If the app says it's expired then you either have expired NCT due to time or you have a fail on what WAS a current NCT. Either one can be grounds for prosecution.

And we do make use of the opinion of the NCT staff as a fail sheet is evidence of a dangerous/defective vehicle and can be used in court if required.

Just like anything else in life the failures SHOULD be trailered away if every thing was done by the book but life isn't like that. If it was I wouldn't be in a job! And I say that as someone who had a fail dangerous for tyres in a past life and then drove it away (to the nearest tyre garage!!!)

And if you think what I've shown there is the only information available to us you'd be incorrect (that's why I said it was a cropped image), but obviously I'm not going to go through a run down of all that we can check/find out for both security reasons and because I like having a job!!!

But look, what your doing is no different to a drink driver arguing he wasn't drunk because the intoxiliser result printed off a misspelled address 🤷 You are looking for a technicality to push the blame elsewhere for the fact that you want to drive with a failed NCT. It's not just you, it's a general think with road traffic offences....it's always someone else's fault or not THE issue we should be dealing with.

You stop a speeder:

"oh why don't you stop drug drivers?"

You stop a drug driver:

"It wasn't having any effect on me, why don't you get those boy racers?"

You stop a boy racer:

"Your just picking on us, why don't you get the slow motorway drivers who are just as dangerous?"

You stop a slow driver on a motorway:

"I'm not doing anything wrong, it's a limit not a target, you'd be better off getting those lads on the phones"

You stop a lad on his phone:

"I wasn't on it and anyway even if I was, have you nothing better to be doing, maybe stop some defective cars "

You stop a failed NCT/defective car:

"Sure it only failed on the tyres and there grand...I think, sure anyway, that NCT is just a racket, why don't you pull over some Ukranians instead?"

And so on....and so on....

Tyre tread depth legal minimum limit has been 1.6mm regardless of NCT and in the eyes of the law thats a defective vehicle .

Like previously stated the NCT rules is always updated inline with EU roadworthiness directives , and to be honest having a fail dangerous for a tyre anywhere below 1.6mm is entirely reasonable and just , too many people in this country have total disregard for the maintenance of their vehicle particularly tyres , for one being so easy to check.

There is no scare tactics , the tester is going beyond what he needs to say and trying to steer you in making the right choice for everyones sake maybe call your insurance company and ask how they would deal with you being in a RTC with a fail dangerous / defective tyre.. . Also you don't need to trailer your car away , some light thinking would have you exchange your tyre for the spare if you have one , call a mobile tyre fitter , get a loan of a spare , take a taxi and bring the tyre to a garage etc etc like many do.. there really is no good reason to flout a reasonable system and drive away , maybe thats a touch Oirish..

Essentially yes.

You either pass the new test and get a new cert which will override the old one anyway or you'll fail and at that point your car could be considered defective (doesn't have to be a fail dangerous)