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US/Israel conduct airstrikes on Iran again

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,628 ✭✭✭✭smurfjed


    Thats not the way this will work. No (non US) navy is sailing in there with any intentions of attacking Iranian facilities, its more a case of saying if you attack us, you are attacking our country. The Chinese can sail out with oil from any country as realistically no one wants to mess with them.

    Sending the USN in there would be like a turkey shoot, they may have destroyed the Iranian large naval ships, but that area of so small that it can be attacked from land as demonstrated by the Houthis who dont actually have a navy.

    But while we are asking where is BIBI, shouldnt we also be asking who is running Iran?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,628 ✭✭✭✭smurfjed


    Lots of videos showing up online about Iranians taking to the streets, lets hope its enough for them to get their country back.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,366 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    The Iranian leader has more of a reason to be out of thr spotlight than Bibi does. If the successor in Iran is dead or severely injured it does appear to be irrelevant to whether or not the regime falls.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,623 ✭✭✭sock.rocker*


    Netanyahu's son going from 30+ posts on Twitter every day to zero does lend credence to something being up with his family.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,566 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Bear in mind, the "defence" varies. For example, whilst enjoining Israel in defence, the UK is clear that Israel must implement the preliminary measures of the ICJ.

    • Austria
    • Czech Republic
    • France
    • Germany
    • Guatemala
    • Hungary
    • Italy
    • Paraguay
    • United States
    • United Kingdom


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  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 5,051 Mod ✭✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    The second US President, John Adams, had a similar attitude towards the press. He passed the Alien and Sedition Acts which tried to make it illegal to criticise the government's foreign policy. Some of them were later struck down as violating the First Amendment.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,090 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Netanyahu's absence is still a curious affair. Also, the total silence on this from the western media is another oddity, when they were openly speculating all this week about the health and whereabouts of Iran's new Supreme Leader.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,009 ✭✭✭yagan


    I saw a clip of a wide avenue of marchers on the annual Al Quds march when an Israeli missile hit buildings along the route. Rather than scatter in panic the chanting got louder as they continue marching in the direction of the rising smoke from the strike.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,915 ✭✭✭combat14


    will the US end up invading iran to secure the uranium material or capitulate the new aytollah - where is the off ramp .. whats the alternative years of war like russia/ukraine..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,089 ✭✭✭midlander12




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,176 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Uranium is heavy. Its not like they can send in a few seals, grab it and take it away.

    This is not a video game.

    They can try to bomb the Uranium stockpile but that will just bury it under rubble. Diggers can recover it easily

    The Iranians would have given up the Uranium in exchange for an end to sanctions. But Trump did the opposite.

    They seem so incredibly stupid until you realise their are just incredibly self serving and their goals are actually to cause as much destruction as possible because they think that is good for their own interests

    Ban billionaires



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,090 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Any attempt to invade Iran would end in catastrophic failure. It's a huge country (twice the size of Iraq) and has a land army of over 1m men.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,009 ✭✭✭yagan


    Whatever about invading Iran can the US even retain their footholds in Iraq or secure their bases in their client states of the gulf?

    15 of the 9/11 suiciders were from Saudi Arabia, so even if domestic agitators are no friends of Iran they'll have seen obvious weaknesses in the kingdoms protectors and maybe even plan their own revolution.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,972 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout


    I was listening to a podcast with Anne Applebaum discussing the war and the Trump admin in general. She's somebody who has always been really on the ball when it comes to Russia and creeping authoritarianism. She said something crazy in this podcast though. When discussing the blatant corruption that Trump openly engages in she put forward the theory that Trump started this war at the behest of the Saudis because they were paying him off.

    I mean….the dogs in the street know that, yes, Trump was driven to attacking Iran by a state actor but it wasn't the Saudis. In fact you have to be squinting real hard to look past the role of Israel…to the point where I can only assume that she has a massive blind spot in that regard. That's disappointing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,746 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo


    Taking to the streets to do what? The people took to the streets yesterday to celebrate Quds day whilst missiles stike around them.



  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 5,051 Mod ✭✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    Video from the conservative NY Post of an Israeli road being hit by an Iranian missile. NB I know that the people of Gaza suffered genocide at Israeli hands. This is simply a matter of reporting news, and showing Israel is not invincible.

    Also same source for Iranian attack that injured 20 Israelis 2 weeks ago.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,972 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout


    Given how prevalent FPV drones are now in Ukraine it was only a matter of time until we saw something like this.

    An Iranian FPV spends several minutes flying around an American base in Iraq before destroying itself in a building

    https://x.com/Osinttechnical/status/2032964990857293987



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 18,013 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    No, those were the nationalities of the people who did the killing. As far as I know, all those deaths, obviously bar the Congo, were within the borders of Lebanon. The only Irish death recorded as caused by an Israeli was Corporal Dermot McLaughlin in January 1987, killed by tank fire. Honestly, from the amount of times the argument gets brought up, I was expecting more than one, but that shows you the value of research, I guess.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,628 ✭✭✭✭smurfjed


    Yep but there are also videos showing the people coming to the streets protesting against the regime. Could but it be the same as the USSR or even the Berlin wall?

    This is from Iran International - English

    https://www.facebook.com/reel/1893988827868163/?fs=e&fs=e

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,182 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    Maybe Anne Applebaum has loyalties that make it expedient to point the finger at Saudi Arabia rather than Israel.
    Her book “Red Famine” has been criticized by Ukrainian nationalists for downplaying the ethnicity of many of those involved in the Holodomor.

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,244 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    I know these things operate differently in the Islamic world buyt it still makes no sense to me that he would've been chosen under those circumstances.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,244 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    Yeah I can't believe Trump would pull that trigger. Almost anything would be better from his and America's perspective..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,182 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    So what state has killed more Irish peacekeepers than any other state?

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,080 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Indeed.

    If Iran has to "compensate Ukraine for the damage their drones have done", then the US is on the hook for a much larger bill worldwide for all the chaos they've sown for the better part of a century.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 14,069 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    Lebanon says Israeli attacks killed at least 850 people, including 66 women, 107 children, and 32 health workers, and injured 2,105 people since March 2

    @TRTWorldNow (Turkish news outlet)

    My understanding is that the Lebanese government, although they have taken the step now of making Hez military wing illegal, are reluctant to move against them, for fear of splitting the army, which carries the danger of renewed civil war.

    Lebanon is a fascinating country, I have to learn more details on how they have arrived at this very odd situation.

    I know that Israel occupied the South, which gave rise to Hezbollah, who claim to be protectors of that Southern territory. It's really messy, but very interesting.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,041 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Many people are afraid to criticise Israel. And with good cause.

    Despite the genocide, Israel have their cheerleaders in Ireland but it's mainly easily led folks that detest/fear muslims. They don't realise that Israel could lead them into an economy with stagflation.

    Israel is annexing Southern Lebanon now. They are blowing bridges on the key rivers already. They are doing their best to create another century of hatred.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 376 ✭✭Tacitus Kilgore DCLXVI


    And still we'll have people posting here both justifying it and pondering why Hezbollah are launching attacks against Israel. Like I said repeatedly, for people from a small country whose modern independence was literally founded on revolutionary action against the largest empire in the world it just beggars belief that people display this level of ignorance. You don't have to agree with what they are doing to understand their motivations behind it.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 14,069 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    Sure, but I DO question the sense of Hez firing weapons into Northern Israel. Why? What goals could they achieve by killing the odd villager?

    Their actions have only brought ruin to Lebanon, and are providing a pretext for Israeli invasion. What am I missing?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 376 ✭✭Tacitus Kilgore DCLXVI


    It's the actions of an expansionist regime. Even if Hezbollah did nothing the Israelis would still have invaded and killed as many as they can given the cover they have from the US in the current conflict. Like I said before, I don't support what Hezbollah are doing.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,182 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    Could western journalists give a useful comparison for the scale of the killing in Lebanon in terms of the Lebanese population, like this is the equivalent of 20 9/11s?

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



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