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How long until we see €2 a litre and will it push more to EV's faster?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 815 ✭✭✭chrisd2019


    However the saving you making currently regarding running costs is mostly due to lower taxes on electricity, at some point the government may find a way of extracting more tax from electricity used to charge your vehicle.

    It is not so long ago since the government actively pushed diesel vehicles with motor tax changes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,647 ✭✭✭sk8board


    this is the most important point of all.

    100,000 new car sales annually means only around 1-in-40 adults buy a new car each year.

    The overwhelming majority of transactions in the car market happen in the second hand market.

    People buy what they can afford. Someone buying a new Taycan can afford €60k depreciation over the first 3 years, and probably on low annual mileage.
    Their fuel savings are a VERY distant concern.

    Someone who can afford a €7-10k hatchback and need to spend €2k on fuel each year for their commuter mileage, has a totally different conundrum.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,420 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    hence why the majority of us will be driving ice cars for a very very long time



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,647 ✭✭✭sk8board


    And even if a 10 year old EV still has 70% battery capacity, the guy buying it will still have the same commute distance as he’s doing today and running that EV battery 80-20 every day will be difficult - ans meanwhile he’ll see new EV battery and range ever-increasing.
    in the past 6 years we’ve sold almost exactly 100,000 new EVs, and imported a bunch from the UK - into a national fleet of 2.7m vehicles.

    We’re at around 5% replacement, and want that to be as close to 100% as possible.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,420 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    we ll be waitin, till probably the 40's/50's for that, so, no rush!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,282 ✭✭✭bog master


    AI generated answer, but fleet sales have always skewed new car sales stats.

    In 2025,

    approximately 42,106 fleet vehicles

    (including passenger cars and light commercial vehicles) were registered in Ireland

    . This segment is a significant portion of the overall automotive market, which saw a total of 124,954 new car registrations in 2025.

     



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,361 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    I know a guy who used to run an ERF EC14 Cummins Olympic on waste vegetable oil grease, would shovel it into the tanks, must have burnt 100 tons .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,753 ✭✭✭KildareP


    KM based motortax is inevitable.

    60-65% of fuel costs in running an ICE are pure taxation. No government is going to forego that massive income stream as EV takeup increases.

    Increasing fuel costs also leads to more fuel laundering and misuse of agri-diesel, and the costs associated with detection and enforcement of it. KM based taxation rather than taxing the fuel type eliminates that workaround overnight.

    If you can move to EV now then enjoy the next few years of relatively cheaper motoring while you still can.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,424 ✭✭✭MightyMunster


    Who's doing 80-20% every day? I'd nearly get 2 weeks out of that 🤣

    We shouldn't be making policy for the 1%



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,972 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    That depends on the size of the battery and the mileage. An older eGolf has 24kW battery.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 517 ✭✭✭StonedRaider


    There's a few I know running W124's on used veg oil. Have to be on the QT 🤫



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 131 ✭✭Perfidious Cretin


    Saw 2.17 for a litre of diesel today. Is it this evening when the oil markets open?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,647 ✭✭✭sk8board


    I’m referring to the (future) second hand market for 10 year old EVs that have 70% capacity. Running them 80-20 is only 60% of 70% of a range that will be far less than the equivalent future new EV.

    A complicated way of saying that a 10 year old car with maybe 175km winter range for 80-20 of a battery will be a hard sell.

    That 65mpg Octavia or Prius will still look v attractive by comparison, if the fuel saving is less than €1k pa



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,602 ✭✭✭✭josip


    Is that 65mpg in the real world? I drove Octavias for 18 years, putting up reasonable mileage, a lot of it long distance, and never got better than 5l/100km.

    Post edited by josip on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,142 ✭✭✭9935452


    Map or chip the car and it wil do it.

    Ive a 2.0tdi A4. 120hp.. driving handy 5.4, 5.5 l per 100km.

    Chipped to 150hp and drivin handy it can drop to 4.2l per 100km



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,692 ✭✭✭Corben Dallas


    So much wrong the the above… 10 year old EV!!!! EV battery only have a OEM manufacturer guarantee for 8yrs, after that battery goes then your car is a brick with no value. "But i'll just get a new battery be fine", batteries run anything from 10-25k, which nobody is going to be putting into a 8/10 year old car. Also think guarantee only applies to original owner, second hand….. again you're on your own. In short nobody is going to be buying 10 yr old EV's, plus car dealers wont stock them because over 8 yrs they're ticking time bombs.

    100,000 of new vehicles into a 2.7 million Irish car fleet, still a novelty and a fad that might never catch on.

    We at 5% replacement, and want to be a 100%!!! Why???!!!! who wants ??? not the Irish motorist for sure.

    Hybrids are WWWaaaayyyy better than EV only, much more flexible and user friendly. There will probably always be a general mix of ICE, Diesel, Hybrids and EV plus maybe Hydrogen in the car fleet. People don't want to be railroaded into a EV only future whether they like it or not. This has always been the Greens fantasy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,897 ✭✭✭Buddy Bubs


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,897 ✭✭✭Buddy Bubs




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,972 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    Most people don't 175k a day. Most do about 40k a day.

    A used 10yr EV would be perfect city car, hardly any servicing, or repairs. Cheap fuel. Nicer to drive in traffic, no fumes and winter preheating.

    Most can be charged to 100% with no issues. A car that's 10yrs what would they be saving the battery for exactly?

    If people are buying PHEVs with smaller batteries for the daily driving. Why not an EV with a battery 3x or 4x the size.

    What happens on a longer trip? You stop and charge. It's not rocket science.

    Will a lot of people still buy the used ICE. Sure and that's ok. They can buy what they like.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,647 ✭✭✭sk8board


    youre agreeing with me, albeit you’ve not realised that I’m v v sceptical of EV adoption targets for the national fleet - I’m just far less hyperbolic about it 🙄🙄



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,647 ✭✭✭sk8board



    people in the second hand market, where the VAST majority of car transactions occur, have v little interest in being an early adopter for anything. They have other things to be worrying about.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,972 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    Someone buying a 10yr old used car is not early adopter. EVs have been on the roads for 15yrs. A 10 yr old EV is 2nd generation EV.

    Post edited by Flinty997 on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,033 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    People in the second hand market could pick up a 10 year old leaf or Zoe for about €5k. Which, as has been said, are perfect city cars and a much better investment than trying to go for an ICE



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,033 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    Diesel has breached the €2 mark in most places I've seen this morning, Kerosene most recently €898.98 for a 500L delivery. I saw a video over the weekend explaining that the sudden jump in prices is actually because we have a direct pipeline from a well in Tehran that goes under the rest of the European continent and the Irish sea, bypassing every other country along the way to a refinery in Waterford.

    The video seemed like a complete piss-take but it was also the only logical reasoning because obviously the oil companies aren't profiteering



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,570 ✭✭✭creedp


    Ah no it’s a lot simpler than that…the usual trope about the higher cost of doing business in Ireland should be enough justification to pull the wool over the gullible consumer once again



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 195 ✭✭Garfin


    Rationing could become a bigger issue than price for fuel in the coming weeks as stocks dwindle.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,033 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    I don't see it coming to that here in Ireland as our supply is mainly from the north sea. China could be in trouble alright as they get a lot of supply from that neck of the woods

    More likely we will just see the price continue to increase and so people will reduce the amount they are driving. Could force a lot of filling stations out of business



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,804 ✭✭✭JVince


    won't be an issue.

    Absolutely zero issue on petrol - almost an excess of refining capacity. No supply issue with oil - other countries will pump out more.

    We're coming into summer, so less demand for kerosene where the supply contraints are as about 30% of Europe's kero was coming from middle eastern refineries and about 20% of diesel

    Supply lines for indian refined diesel/jet fuel/kero now running. European refiners now working 24/7 (and charging a hefty premium too - currently about 40c of the diesel pump price is related to refining cost -usually its about 15c-20c)

    Price will stay elevated, but won't be going too much higher with petrol settling about €2 and diesel circa €2.30.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,033 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    I'd say the two liquid fuel prices will go up to about €2.50 in the next few weeks but will come down again slowly afterwards. Probably around September they will settle to where they are now. Mid-term elections in the states in November so it will be all back to normal before then

    Probably around 2030 the hard working CCPC will deliver their report to find that actually it was just price gouging after all because we have a 30 day + supply so prices shouldn't have moved at all



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,692 ✭✭✭Corben Dallas


    Please tell me u didn't " see the video on Facebook????!!!!" 🤨🙄🙃🤡check videos from a reliable Media organisation, from 2 sources …or its total BS!!!!!!. hint There's no pipeline that goes direct from Tehran (Iran) to Waterford, that goes under all of mainland Europe and supplies (just) Waterford in Ireland.🤔🤐🙄😦🤡 Please try to apply some critical thought before making statements and accepting them as facts… they are not.



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