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Ireland Team Talk XII: Farrell's First Fifteen

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,201 ✭✭✭✭flazio


    Simple, before the tournament starts, Irish fans take a look at where the team is now, who's recently retired, who's injured, recent form etc and be realistic about expectations. Grand Slam? Probably not. What's the next best outcome? Title win, but it depends on other factors, what's next best? Triple Crown. Done. 6 Nations might have 1 winner, but it doesn't have 5 losers.

    This too shall pass.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,669 ✭✭✭budhabob


    The panel afterwards made the point that Sam T sought out JC on most of his carries and got zero ground from it. A hard man to stop.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 27,542 ✭✭✭✭phog


    The posts were about what the team's aim was coming into the tournament.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 33,849 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Then why didn't you have a problem with me calling the performance against Italy abject?



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 33,849 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    This is just completely misunderstands how much our game runs through JGP when he plays. It is not an exaggeration to say it is similar to how much it ran through Sexton. It works as he is very good, but obviously it is high risk if he isn’t available/not playing well.

    I would add an alternative did get a shot and it was a clear failure. The closest thing we have to a player who controls the game from 9 like JGP is Doak. If that is the game we are set on playing I don't understand why he wasn't given a bit more exposure.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,801 ✭✭✭All_in_Flynn


    Calling either performance abject is over the top. Italy played well on the day and we were slightly off it with Furlong still building from his injury and a crisis at loosehead. It wasn't a great performance by any means but that was a good Italy side on the day.

    I said it in the match thread directly after the game but I thought we actually played ok vs Wales and we made a number of changes which always affects continuity. Wales stuck it up the jumper and didn't commit to rucks. The biggest criticism of that game for me was our lack of variation in kicking given the lack of cover they had in the backfield.

    But all in all they certainly weren't abject performances. I'm a lot more comfortable about where we are now than I was pre-tournament. If our scrum improves then we will be very very hard to beat by any team.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,326 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Finally putting him starting was a big turning point for our tournament.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 27,542 ✭✭✭✭phog


    I'm well aware how much we play through the 9, when this was being discussed before we had posters claiming the 10 should be doing more, calling for the ball, etc even though the game plan was definitely let JGP make the plays.

    We also know though that the reserve SHs are criminally underused and I'm glad that in a round about way you eventually agree with me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,332 ✭✭✭lawrencesummers


    what Farrell had managed to achieve this year with the players he had available is pretty remarkable.


    Richie Murphy should be given huge credit as well for getting the ulster players playing at a level that made them ready for international rugby.


    As well as AF has done it’s not without mistakes and the squad is not without worry in some areas.

    The 3 best players are Beirne, McCloskey and Doris and two of them only have the next World Cup in them age wise.

    Crowley has proven to even the most ardent doubters that he is the best option at 10, something that many recognised after his 2024 season. Hopefully the way prendergast has been treated doesn’t affect his confidence and he can continue to grow.

    I worry about furlong and Ringrose and how their form will go over the next 18 months. They need to be very carefully managed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 27,542 ✭✭✭✭phog


    I never said anything about old guys

    But we all know, had the likes of Porter, Henshaw, Hanson, Aki all been available from the start we wouldn't have seen as much churn as we did.

    Do you really believe had Aki and Henshaw been available that McCloskey (our player of the tournament) would have featured in 5 straight games.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,534 ✭✭✭clsmooth


    I think McCloskey 100% would have started regardless. Maybe he would have been rested for Wales or Italy but he’s been our first choice 12 all season even when the other two have be available.

    He started against NZ and Australia in the AI and wasn’t available against SA due to injury. Aki started against SA as McCloskey was out. Henshaw got a start at 12 against Japan then 13 alongside McCloskey against Australia.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 182 ✭✭Jelly Welly


    prendergast needs to knuckle down at Leinster. There’s a fair chance he could be behind Harry there. 2027 World Cup squad may be beyond him (barring injuries to Crowley/Harry B/Frawley and he would be aiming for 2031



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 33,849 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    That's fair. Perhaps underwhelming would be a better word but they were both in stark contrast to the England and Scotland performances and the lack of consistency is a bit concerning.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,043 ✭✭✭johnh6767


    2031 was always the more natural timeframe for Sam and Crowley should have been fed confidence all the way through the Autumn series. Although, for the first time, after yesterday I’m starting to think the experiment could actually be successful. Sam being taken out of the situation was a good move and he can rebuild his own game and confidence at Leinster. What I felt was a lose lose scenario could ultimately come good for both players and the team.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,043 ✭✭✭johnh6767


    I don’t agree. Casey is an excellent SH and to me still the clear number 2 and probably the best passer in the game right now. I agree it’s regrettable having him on for only 3 minutes and that was far from ideal given the game was probably won with 7/8 minutes to go but its hard to take JGP off given his influence on the game and with so much at stake. There is a tendency here to go to the extremes and this is a case in point. Farrell made it clear to Casey he is still the deputy which in itself is reassuring. Back to clubs for them all to perform and make a point for the summer series



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,663 ✭✭✭✭cson


    Casey is not a tier one test level scrum half. In particular he doesn't the necessary size but he also doesn't have the levels to his game that is demanded from the position in a team with ambitions of winning championships. He's a decent URC SH but that's his ceiling.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,997 ✭✭✭Ben Bailey


    Having Gibson-Park at 9 means having playmakers at 9 and at 10. Casey doesn't exhibit the same skill set. His pass is excellent and his box kicking can be excellent. He's quick to get to the breakdown, but isn't as quick to get the next phase moving. He doesn't call the plays for his backline and his solo 'snipes' too often result in turnovers. If you have a 10 who can command a backline then Casey is your 9. If, on the other hand, you have a 10 who needs more time & less attention from the opposition, then JGP is your 9. Doak most resembles JGP in his playing. Thus, he seems like the best option to bench for JGP. But, he needs more gametime & I hope we see more of him in green this year.

    Like most posters I'm not happy that our bench 9 gets so little time. That needs to change.



  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 36,490 Mod ✭✭✭✭pickarooney


    We didn't get a TBP and were destroyed in the scrum. I still wouldn't go so far as to use that word for a game we won, fair enough to describe the French game that way.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 5,424 Mod ✭✭✭✭Lost Ormond


    Size isnt an issue with casey. Or it shouldnt be seen as one. if size was an issue or factor. he wouldnt have progressed at so many levels before turning pro. be it within the age grade system or stepping up to AIL and adult level or the step up to pro. His size isnt an issue. Saying hes only URC level is bit harsh. hes more than that.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 33,849 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    His size is an issue. There is nothing he can do about it and it is not an over-riding one, but all things being equal it is a disadvantage.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 330 ✭✭Firstsub


    All players being fit, what is the hierarchy at lhp? Porter, TOT, McCarthy, Boyle, Loughman? And where does TOT fit in at thp?



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 33,849 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Hard to say, but most likely Porter>McCarthy>Boyle>TOT>Loughman. Possibly Boyle and TOT could switch.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,626 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    What does he offer besides a quick pass? He's not much of a running threat, an obvious weak point defensively, and not really someone who runs an attack. Doak has clearly superior qualities imo.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,042 ✭✭✭50HX


    Farrell doesnt seem to think so unless that changes going forward.

    Whoever the 2nd 9 is they are not going to get meaningful minutes v T1 opposition between here & RWC



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,724 ✭✭✭ersatz


    I'm genuinely interest in this response because there are things bout GR's game I don't understand. Defensively he's rarely less than brilliant and always influential but in attack he never/rarely distributes and instead goes into contact. Granted he is better than most at ball presentation and creating the most useful kind of shape on the ground, but Ive often been frustrated with how he steps back inside and leaves possible line breaks on his outside go begging. He does not seem to pass off his left. Is this at the direction of the coach?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,626 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    Official stats have Ringrose missing 17 tackles across the tournament.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,997 ✭✭✭Ben Bailey


    If GR consistently shows these patterns and he is consistently selected then it follows that he performs to & at the coaches directions.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,898 ✭✭✭JanuarySnowstor


    Well done to Crowley



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,043 ✭✭✭johnh6767




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,054 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


    Why does no one consider the possibility that Sexton helped Crowley turn around his fairly poor form? If Crowley is “back to his very best” after two months in Ireland camp, maybe that’s something to do with the coaching he’s been getting?

    While I’ve no idea if that’s the case, it’s infinitely more likely than Sexton calling the shots on team selection or pushing for Prendergast



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