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The new CAP

  • 15-03-2026 01:20AM
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,784 ✭✭✭


    Im going to be controversial.

    Absolutely zero supports, no tams, no anc, zero, nothing. Let the market find its own level. We got zero from supports, the qarry men uped their prices once tams was declared. The factories would love a beef support scheme to down the price of beef. I could go on ...why play into big business...let the market place set the price…our eu payments are are at the lowest level in years



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,267 ✭✭✭mr.stonewall


    The quarry men upped the price as the building trade had taken off and the supply chain pressures caused by COVID and the Ukraine war drove inflation.

    Back to to the CAP, I see it going full flattening the of payments. That would mean entitlements essentially gone and a payment per ha with top up for certain eco schemes.

    Big one I have harped on about here a lot before and I think it will get traction. Pension and entitlements, it will be either one or the other for folks. It's the only way that age profile of farmers can improve. Add in the safety factor it's a no brainers. Long term the CAP is going to see fewer farmers but bigger farmers in Ireland.

    And of course this cap will have a few who will work the scheme to their advantage by working in the cracks and grey areas



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 4,971 Mod ✭✭✭✭Siamsa Sessions


    The EU don’t want people leaving the countryside and migrating to cities. I can’t see them removing any payment that looks like it’ll keep farmers big and small tipping away and living in the countryside.

    The reality isn’t as simple as this but that’s the political sense I get from it.

    Equally if farmers have to compete in the “free market” they’ll be the only industry doing it. Big tech, pharma, financial services, beef processors, supermarkets, and a host of others all benefit from Govt subsidies in one form or other.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 417 ✭✭grass10


    The liming scheme was a perfect example of a scheme that should have never come in, my lime delivered and spread was 18 per ton it then went to 35 per ton and is still that price but the scheme was only a once off now nobody wants to put out lime because of the cost of it.

    Eu payment is already flattened lads entitlements are no longer relevant as flattering has already happened, my wish for eu payment would be a max of 10k for the largest farmers but smaller lads should get a few thousand each per year but it should be linked to stocking rates so the armchair farmers with minimum stock for 7 months should only get very small total payment



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,784 ✭✭✭kk.man




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,290 ✭✭✭Who2


    10k max isn’t worth a fiddlers to most farms .
    lime was 23 a ton spread around me for years. It’s currently 32 a ton and some of the best money anyone can spend on a farm. It was one of those items that just didn’t move in price and was going to rise regardless due to haulage and labour costs, the grant just gave them a reason.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,657 ✭✭✭tanko


    So you’ve been sending back all your payments for years i presume???



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,784 ✭✭✭kk.man


    Not at all, what if got I'm keeping. Just looking at the attitude of the EU towards CAP, they really don't want to pay it. Look at the recent mercosur vote only Ireland (reluctantly) and France voted against it.

    Big business is screwing the primary producers at every turn. Hughes agri gone in the carrot game, meat factories controlling the price of beef. Fat grain merchants looking on their growers barely making an industrial wage.

    If we had a unsubsidized production system then of course the weak and vulnerable would take a hit but the fat cats would have to pay.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,634 ✭✭✭148multi


    Liming should be made compulsory, the amount of land that never gets it around here is unreal



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 417 ✭✭grass10


    10k is more than 9k, it's just a figure I threw out the reality is their is going to be around 30% less subsidy money coming to irish farmers each year from 2 years time onwards it's just a question of who takes the hit, I know of a lot of farmers getting 15 to 50 k per year and the truth is they have become very inefficient in their daily farm work like buying machinery they don't need or renting land at crazy prices just to milk extra cows they don't need or to grow more barley knowing they are losing money on it, if a farmer were getting 10k a year less you'd find that suddenly that extra 20 acres at 500 per acre wouldn't be rented and he'd actually make more profit



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 10,642 ✭✭✭✭893bet


    if the price of beef was subsidise free and represented true cost…..would the consumer pay…..some…..:a lot more would be pushed towards cheaper meat from SAmerica etc. be careful what ye wish for.

    Post edited by 893bet on


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,277 ✭✭✭MIKEKC


    .If payments tied to production this will lead to extra stock. In turn we will need new markets. If we are going to be flooded with Argentian beef where are we going to get rid of our own?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,634 ✭✭✭148multi


    They are not going to tie payments to production in the foreseeable future as the EU want to reduce animal No' s.

    The UK being flooded with Australian and south American beef will probably have a bigger impact on us than imports to Ireland



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,699 ✭✭✭bogman_bass


    you need to look at the bigger picture. What’s big here is small at EU scale. Cap it at 20 or even 50k and stop the huge corporate farmers in Romania and Czech Republic from raking it in



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