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US/Israel conduct airstrikes on Iran again

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,669 ✭✭✭dePeatrick


    Yes indeed, gets covered here:

    Translated: 

    This war in our region, like all other wars, will come to an end, but there are lessons and morals that the Gulf Cooperation Council states must draw from it, the most important of which is solidarity, alliance, and unity of word and stance. For there is now no alternative for the Council's states but to establish an effective, real, and on-the-ground military security alliance, akin to the North Atlantic Treaty Organization, in which Saudi Arabia plays the most crucial role as the largest state.



    Given the importance of the matter, the study and preparation for it must begin now, without waiting for the war to end. And for that, the Council's states must, with determination and without delay or hesitation, transcend all the disputes between them, in preservation of our shared interests, to keep the Council strong and cohesive, to ensure the independence of its peoples and states, and to prioritize the general Gulf interest over the Qatari interest.



    We must not wait for the fighting to end either; rather, the Council's states should immediately begin establishing and developing an advanced, coordinated, and planned base of military and electronic industries among themselves, so that they can defend their peoples against aggression and preempt and deter any attacks targeting them before they occur. Our states possess the necessary geography, resources, and funds for this. And perhaps we can take the lesson from Iran, which, despite the siege, managed to develop for itself an advanced missile industry base, with which—regrettably—it has bombarded our states and aggressed against them without right.



    And since the Council's states did not start this war, nor did they want it in the first place, and were seeking a solution between the United States and Iran, our states must not bear the economic and political repercussions that will result from the war. Israel, as the one that ignited the spark of the war, must bear responsibility before us, before the world, and before the United States. For this war was started by Israel to make itself the upper hand in the region militarily, economically, and politically, as it declares every day.



    Therefore, we in the Council's states must stand as one front, whether toward Israel or toward Iran. For Iran will remain our neighbor forever, even though we differ with it and reject what it has done and is doing against us, and as a result, consider it an enemy to us today—a matter that our states must discuss and agree upon to determine the best approach for dialogue with Iran and what we accept or reject from its policies. So that our states do not become sacrificial lambs every time fighting or a misunderstanding erupts between Israel, America, and Iran.



    Likewise, Israel is not far from us, and we may need to reach an understanding with it, but not according to its declared policies—rather, in accordance with the principles of good neighborliness that serve Palestinian rights in the occupied Arab territories and our shared interests.



    All of this calls for purity of intentions among the Council's states, and for the criterion to be the law, reason, and shared interest, not personal and immediate interests under any circumstance or for any reason. And I have no doubt about the intentions of the leaders of the Council's states, but what is required now is that we rise to the level of the historical responsibilities that these circumstances impose upon us.

     



    And what is surprising is that we have not heard a strong stance from several Arab states toward what the Council's states are facing, as those states preferred to turn a blind eye and commit to neutrality, because what matters to them is their own interests. And this in itself calls for our states in the Council to engage in deep reflection that makes us immediately establish that Gulf military, security, and geographic alliance, linked to Turkey and Pakistan through solid alliance relations that spare us reliance on the arms of our sons.

    https://x.com/Ola_Salem/status/2032580575383400791



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 255 ✭✭Tacitus Kilgore DCLXVI


    I'm not having a go at you but I really wish people would stop using this pet name when referring to an actual war criminal i.e. Benjamin Netanyahu. It trivialises the suffering of the people he inflicts this upon.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 13,592 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    It's no wonder that they were trying to build a nuclear deterrent (which I think they were).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,486 ✭✭✭halkar


    Pathetic UN condemned Iran for attacking gulf States but nothing about US/Israel attack on Iran.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,543 ✭✭✭Billy Mays




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,691 ✭✭✭yagan


    So I think it's been confirmed that the loss of the refueler plane was a mid air collision with another refueler plane that was damaged but managed to land safely in Israel. Along with the five refueling planes destroyed in an Iranian strike at a US base in Saudi Arabia it really highlights how chaotic and uncoordinated US forces become without a careful plan and strategy.

    Also the Financial Times highlighted what I've been saying here all week, Iran has very up to date on the ground intelligence regarding targets all around the Gulf states.

    “No one has done more with less than the Iranians,” said Seth Krummrich, former chief of staff at US Soccent, the special forces command responsible for operations in the Middle East. “Iran has precise intelligence when it comes to not only where we’re based, but a lot of our patterns of life and how we work as a military.”

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    Tehran appears to be relying increasingly on propeller-driven Shahed drones, powered by motorcycle engines, with 25-50kg warheads and made — in some cases — out of styrofoam.

    Anyone who's spent time in Asia will know how ubiquitous small two stroke motorbike engines are.

    Plus what's rarely mentioned is that Grumman actually had an engineer training base in Isfahan in the 1970s, the trained staff no doubt were responsible for keeping vintage F14s flying up to now. No doubt that US funded aerospace engineering knowledge has helped Iran in developing its asymmetric warfare options.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,174 ✭✭✭Glenomra


    Not really!!! Not while a single Iranian drone can close the straits of Hormuz!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,523 ✭✭✭✭smurfjed


    But why? Oil takes 2 weeks to get from the Middle East to Europe and only about 20% comes from that area. So the impact shouldnt be seen this soon, especially as Saudi oil is still shipping the red sea.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,523 ✭✭✭✭smurfjed


    LOL, true….. but regardless of their flag or perceived ownership, people can see exactly what ships are moving and from where. They can actually sail whatever ships they want as the Americans wont be the first to sink an oil tanker.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,523 ✭✭✭✭smurfjed


    Do you think that the Iranian people will take to the streets and take back their country? Maybe with the support of their own military? That’s the only way that this ends with a justifiable achievement.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,523 ✭✭✭✭smurfjed


    And only last year the saudis were planning to cut off Qatar with a canal. Not to mention the dispute between Saudi and the UAE over Sudan. Will be interesting to see how that ends.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,523 ✭✭✭✭smurfjed


    Jump back 3 weeks, what threat was Iran under? And was this a sufficient threat to justify financing and controlling, Hamas, Hezbollah, Houthis and whatever groups they have in Iraq and Syria?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,217 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    No I cannot see that happening now. Any new regime taking power now would be seen as Israel/US instigated and completely lack legitimacy.

    I do think we will see huge displacement from Iran (country of 90m) and Lebanon. Europe will have to bear the brunt of that.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,523 ✭✭✭✭smurfjed


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    This is apparently the 2nd aircraft.

    I was at a defence show last month, so much drone technology on sale including boats like this. The iranians wont mine the strait as that impacts them as well, but they can selectively launch these at specific targets.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,669 ✭✭✭dePeatrick




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,691 ✭✭✭yagan


    I've been checking the Marine Traffic website over the last two weeks and two things have really stood out.

    Right now the Panamian registered ship Bailian Star has exited the strait with the reported destination stating "China Owner N Crew". This ship left from Dubai, not Iran. I can imagine China can command a nice discount from all the Gulf states for this flag of convenience just to get trade moving again. If the US attacked any of these Chinese bound vessels it would be a major escalation.

    The second interesting observation is that aside from some tankers that departed Kharg island after the initial attack on Iran there doesn't seem to be any new dockings in the last week. The only vessels around Kharg seem to be tugs and oil maintenance related craft, but no tankers. But there has been arrivals and departures from Iran's eastern ports, one of which has been an oil terminal since 2021.

    Trump might indeed blow up Kharg island, announce mission accomplished, and then turn back to Cuba which brings US forces closer to home just in time for creating domestic chaos in order to get the midterms cancelled.

    In his wake Gulf states will now see US bases as a liability rather than a guarantee, and Israel will be uncertain of the US's commitment.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,523 ✭✭✭✭smurfjed


    Son of Shah wont work, but we have seen civilian officials with excellent presence, surely they could be an option as they have to feel what the last 47 years has done to their country. Reports that the 2009-2013 President is out of house arrest due to attacks, is he a possibility ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,217 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Shah son, absolutely not. I'd like to see Israel and USA feck off and let the Iranians sort out their own destiny.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,691 ✭✭✭yagan


    @smurfjed

    When the story about mining the strait came out I did wonder why bother when the Houthi's have forced the US navy to stay further away from the Yemeni coastline. I think ultimately it was just a cheap win for Trump to destroy Iranian ships by just calling them all minelayers.

    Iran doesn't need any Naval assets to control the strait.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,523 ✭✭✭✭smurfjed


    Marine traffic is addictive, this was todays flotilla coming out of the strait.

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    And this is the oil traffic through the suez this morning.

    IMG_9968.jpeg


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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 8,821 CMod ✭✭✭✭Sierra Oscar


    So it's looking increasingly likely that the US Treasury has been intervening in the oil futures market to try and suppress the price of oil. It’s a foolish strategy that would ever only work as a stop gap for a few days and, low and behold, the price of oil is climbing steadily again.

    The US Treasury has essentially written a blank cheque if the rumours are true and they will have monumental costs to cover in the coming weeks if prices remain elevated. Reminiscent of our banking guarantee. Buckle up folks.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,359 ✭✭✭Tazz T


    Where are you seeing that? As far as I can see, it hasn't interfered yet but could be planning to. I actually have a play on for the opening on Sunday evening.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,145 ✭✭✭✭SuperBowserWorld


    This is WAR !

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,669 ✭✭✭dePeatrick




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,669 ✭✭✭dePeatrick


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    Translated that means he is begging countries to get involved.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,523 ✭✭✭✭smurfjed


    Warships to keep the straits open are a waste of time, but A-10’s with it’s canon, now that is a different thing altogether. that would also apply to the houthis.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,057 ✭✭✭thomil


    Ooof, looks like a nasty hit. Granted, the -135s are built like tanks, but that's still a nasty hit.

    Makes me wonder what actually happened though. The markings show that this is a tanker the 314th Air Refueling Squadron, 940th Air Refueling Wing, out of Beale AFB, California. That outfit only flies regular KC-135Rs, not the receiver-capable versions from what I've been able to tell. A quick search also shows that the serial, 38017, belongs to a regular KC-135R. The refuelling boom looks to be undamaged, so unless 38017 was able to disconnect very quickly when things went south, they weren't refuelling another aircraft when the accident occurred. Furthermore, the damage shown here is more consistent with a flying below and behind whatever aircraft they collided with, a position usually assumed by aircraft being refuelled by a tanker aircraft, something that this aircraft isn't capable of.

    Good luck trying to figure me out. I haven't managed that myself yet!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,614 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Despite all his bombastic rhetoric, he doesn't sound overly confident of keeping the Strait open.

    One other thing of note is that he sounds absolutely freaked by the Iranian blockade of Hormuz. Lengthy posts full of threats / warnings, colourful language, almost like a hysterical Twitter rant every time he posts.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,882 ✭✭✭threeball


    Everyone has to bend the knee to American will, otherwise you're next in the firing line. Look at Trumps reaction to Europe not jumping in to pile on Iran. Especially Spain.

    Too much power and ability to influence economic shocks, even in so called allies.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,181 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    How embarrassing. Iran are 100% defeated.

    Please send help.

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



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