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Kilkenny GAA Thread

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,458 ✭✭✭✭Realt Dearg Sec




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 146 ✭✭The_Tank


    The problem is Kilkenny don't play Gaelic football to any reasonable level so the approach is alien to Kilkenny players. The running game was designed to negate the strengths of Kilkenny, with the additional upside that it's something that Kilkenny instinctively struggle to replicate.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,134 ✭✭✭conor05


    Was it a Tipperary player said that years ago, that Davy Fitz & Kinnerk in 2013 set out a plan to negate Kilkennys dominance in the air by playing a Gaelic football style of hurling to avoid as many 50/50 chances in a game as possible and retaining possession was king.

    Kinnerk should have named his coaching PHD thesis ‘my obsession with stopping Kilkenny playing hurling the way it is supposed to be played’.

    It’s why them games between Kilkenny & Tipperary were so good, both teams went at it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86 ✭✭lob it in


    Correct ,and then Limerick became hugely successful at this (they also had brilliant hurlers) and because of this success everybody follows suit,and what you have now is a very different game where possession is king, the 50/50 is almost gone from the game ,you can take more than the allowed four steps, throw the ball,tackle with the arms,barge, and know that you'll never be pulled up by the referees ,and all this will be cheered on by Donal og and some others as a great thing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,240 ✭✭✭kksaints


    Sports evolve over time, they way hurling it is supposed to be played as you put it has changed. We need to update our style of play to fit or innovative and create our own new style of play that could bring us success. Hankering after the glory days will just lead to us struggling particularly as we don't even really have the players to play the Cody style game atm particularly in the forwards.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 371 ✭✭Slates


    Fingers crossed, it was a **** drive home from Salthill !



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,007 ✭✭✭Village87


    The first time that I really took notice of it was when Dublin bet Kilkenny in a replay and Sutcliffe cleaned Tommy, they worked the ball to Sutcliffe to run the legs off Tommy and it worked a treat. What year was that ? Dalo was over Dublin ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 597 ✭✭✭jamesbond2022




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,691 ✭✭✭Marrooned




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,691 ✭✭✭Marrooned


    maybe we should revert back to the old style and catch them on the hop and they would have no answer and finish the running game, weather the ref would even allow ground strokes or overhead pulls would remain to be seen.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 389 ✭✭Montys return


    But Clare didn't even play Kilkenny in 2013?

    Was there some sort of cartel where Dublin and Cork were drafted in as well to this masterplan?

    Would you say the Kilkenny of the last decade was a more aerially dominant team than Limerick? Fair amount of delusion in that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,594 ✭✭✭zetecescort


    25 years of Kilkenny people telling refs to let the game flow yet it's all somehow Cusack's fault



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,691 ✭✭✭Marrooned




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,109 ✭✭✭Krazy gang


    Awful lot of nonsense in that post. Every sport evolves over time with analysis, different coaching methods, etc. Hurling, gaelic, soccer, rugby all completely different now than they were in the 80s or 90s. Gaelic is different now than it was 2 years ago sure!!

    There's been some amazing games of hurling played in the last 10 years with the different style of hurling. Both cork Limerick games in 2024, cork Limerick and clare galway semi finals in 2018. Kilkenny cork 2021 semi final. Just those off the top of my head



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86 ✭✭lob it in


    You make it sound like just because sports evolve that its aways a good thing,In my opinion hurling today is not as good as it was even 10 years ago ,Gaelic football evolved into such total dog shite to watch that they had to bring in over 40 new rules to save it,its widely regarded that the premiere league is awful at the moment and has evolved into a shadow of what it once was ,The attendance for the NBA in America is almost half of what it was because Basketball has evolved into a joke of a game over there now.

    There's no defending in hurling ,the basic rules of the game are not been implemented by Referee's,the man on man contests which made it the game we all love is gone, if that's evolution you can keep it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,007 ✭✭✭Village87


    I agree. One big rule change would be no pass back to the goalie. A forward press is really hard when the goalie can be used as an outlet.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,109 ✭✭✭Krazy gang


    I never said hurling was perfect. I don't enjoy a lot of games, especially in the league. But when it comes to big games in croke park or thurles in june/July there's few better spectacles than hurling with the skill levels and intensity at its peak.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 284 ✭✭hogans heroes


    The Throwing of the ball has to tackled.watch old games and you could see clear separtion.Once a referee enforces the rule thats there then we will see a change.but at the moment no referee seems to want to enforce the rule.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,169 ✭✭✭jelutong




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 790 ✭✭✭Neewollah


    Would go a long way and the refs need to be backed



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,614 ✭✭✭Charlie69


    @zetecescort Apart from that being a total myth …. Not once in those 25 years did you hear Kilkenny people say it was okay to throw the ball around.

    Post edited by Charlie69 on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,614 ✭✭✭Charlie69


    I’m not having a go at you zetecescort but this total horse shite that Kilkenny people spent years telling referees to basically ignore the rules is a myth that seems to have grown legs over time and it’s absolute nonsense. People often point to the fact that Brian Cody said he likes to see refs “let the game flow “ but FFS thats not the same thing as asking refs to turn a blind eye to the rule book.

    Letting the game flow means not blowing the whistle for every bit of shoulder to shoulder contact or minor physical contest….giving an advantage as much as possible even after a foul has been committed before blowing it up….nobody likes a fussy ref that turns it into a free taking contest, but……it never ever meant allowing illegal play .

    Anyone watching hurling now can see the hand pass has become a serious issue . The amount of blatant throwing has turned into an absolute farce , and it’s not just one county, nearly everyone is at it now, although some counties are worse than others.

    For Gods sake pointing that out as a Kilkenny supporter isn’t hypocrisy , it’s just people wanting the basic skills of the game , like a proper hand pass (and a few others) , to actually be enforced the way the rules say they should be.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,691 ✭✭✭Marrooned


    Anyone interested, the U20’s are playing Clare in a challenge match today in Dunmore at one o clock.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,691 ✭✭✭Marrooned


    by the way the old hurling rules wouldn’t be tolerated now, they do not want any sort of danger in the game now so that every youngster can participate without fear of injury. Just one simple example, when a player is soloing up the field and the other is trying to dispossess him by poking in the hurl it’s generally a free whereas one time you could lace him left and right and he would just ward off the tackle with his free hand. It’s the same as catching a high ball the defender had the right to pull on the ball and again the player catching the ball would ward off the pull with his spare hand if the referees saw you doing that now you would get jail.how to protect yourself was part of the skills of the game. What I’m saying is they could blow you now for actually correctly following the rules.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,012 ✭✭✭robbiezero


    That Kilkenny v Tipp era was the peak of hurling for me. Even the league games between the 2 were absolute belters. Two class teams.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,614 ✭✭✭Charlie69




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 809 ✭✭✭bamayang


    Thats the same nonsense that Ben O Connor was spouting a few weeks ago.
    I think today’s version of hurling is going to a terrible place. But to suggest you now can’t bat/swing/break a high ball against a guy trying to catch it is not even remotely true. (As a player who is terrible at protecting catching hand, I can confirm I’ve had multiple broken fingers in this scenario with usually no free given).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 951 ✭✭✭Deskjockey


    Co Minors playing a challenge match Vs Clare in Nowlan Park at 12



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,691 ✭✭✭Marrooned


    U20 challenge against Clare KK 0-22 CL 4-16 Clare could have had another four goals,but we were probably missing a few but we weren’t missing many forwards maybe Jake Mullen and Eoghan Cahill.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,691 ✭✭✭Marrooned


    Any result on that minor challenge?



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