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Ireland Ticket Information

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,238 ✭✭✭HBC08


    "The price of a pint is still very low compared to others cities"

    That is demonstrably false statement.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,427 ✭✭✭OldRio


    Incorrect. I did not say what you attribute to me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 977 ✭✭✭antfin


    I wouldn't saw our price of a pint is "very low" but the cost is not really as high as people make it out to be relative to other comparable countries (ie high salaries and high taxation and high living standards). In the last year I've been to many capital cities in Europe where a pint was significantly higher than Dublin. I've bought pints that cost significantly more in Amsterdam, Paris, Copenhagen, Helsinki, Oslo and Geneva in the last 12 months. It can sometimes be confusing because in Europe you might be buying a beer more commonly in smaller sizes but in lots of places I've paid over €10 in non-touristy bars whereas in Dublin it's closer to €8. Most US cities cost significantly more that here too.



  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 14,476 Mod ✭✭✭✭pc7




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,080 ✭✭✭✭The Iron Giant


    It is accessible primarily to the elite, and that's largely not even down to the high price. Ireland rugby games (bar that one lower-tier opposition game in the Autumn) are largely only accessible to those through 25 year tickets, debentures, corporate access, sponsors, knowing someone who has a ticket, spending on a fortune on second-hand tickets, spending a fortune on hospitality tickets or being in a relatively small percentage of people who find tickets that are available 'to the public' because its inarguable that international rugby games are one of the most closed-shop sports going.

    I appreciate that's a different argument than the one we're having over price but access to Ireland rugby games is objectively a very difficult thing to gain access to. By and large, you do have to be in the elite to access the game. If one of your friends said he wanted to bring his kid to a game, odds are you're going to say he has little to no chance to attend.

    That's exactly my point though. The idea that matches are only accessible to the elite is nonsense. They're expensive but they're not exactly Superbowl pricing either. The vast majority who want to spend that, can.

    Referencing the most expensive sporting event in the world doesn't make for a great argument. Let's make fairer comparisons. A Champions League Final ticket costs as low as €70 - the biggest club football game in the world. An FA Cup Final ticket costs €50. A centre court ticket for Wimbledon can cost as low as €90. A Category 1 ticket for the Champions Cup Final is €120. It is vastly overpriced.

    But a poster above says that most of the country has to spend €850 per couple on a trip to a 6N game. In a best-case scenario and ticket prices are slashed, the cost of that trip comes down to €800.

    Again, picking the most expensive example. I live in Dublin and it would cost me probably €400 all-in to attend a game with my other half. So yeah, knocking €50 off that would make a difference.

    And similar to other posters, I 'can' afford it but choose not to go anymore because its a rip-off but as you've pointed out it'll still sell out because most people just shrug and take it.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,789 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


    Really. Here's what you said;

    "So let's bump things up for most of the country to go to a six nations.. Tickets for 2 about 300 euro ish. Transport to Dublin. Depends of course but 50 euro ish. Food, well of course I agree with you. No cavalry or tap water for herself. So 200 with drinks. Overnight stay.....i don't really know but. 300 euro ish.

    So 850 euro for 2." 

    Most of the country? Check.

    Six Nations? Check

    850 euro for a couple? Check.

    If you're denying you said that most of the country has to spend 850, then you can understand my confusion, considering that's precisely, 100%, exactly what you said.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,427 ✭✭✭OldRio


    You are indeed correct. I apologise.

    My use of the word 'most' is wrong. I should have people might pay, if you had the money of course. Which most haven't.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,238 ✭✭✭HBC08


    Yes i agree with you.

    People in Ireland seem to have an issue understanding that Ireland is expensive and the reasons for that.

    You see this regularly on threads about " price gouging" in hotels,tourism,hospitality sectors etc.

    However the poster said pints are cheaper in Dublin that most other cities which is just stupid.

    Like yourself I could name some cities where drinks are more expensive than Dublin.A tiny number compared to cities around the world where its cheaper.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,789 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


    duplicate



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,789 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


    It is accessible primarily to the elite, and that's largely not even down to the high price. Ireland rugby games (bar that one lower-tier opposition game in the Autumn) are largely only accessible to those through 25 year tickets, debentures, corporate access, sponsors, knowing someone who has a ticket, spending on a fortune on second-hand tickets, spending a fortune on hospitality tickets or being in a relatively small percentage of people who find tickets that are available 'to the public' because its inarguable that international rugby games are one of the most closed-shop sports going.

    It has always been thus and it is unrelated to price. You did, however, omit the people who get tickets through their local clubs which is a significant proportion.

    Referencing the most expensive sporting event in the world doesn't make for a great argument. Let's make fairer comparisons. A Champions League Final ticket costs as low as €70

    yeah that was kind of the point. Like, when someone says "it's not brain surgery", you're not actually comparing something with brain surgery.

    But the Champions League is an interesting comparison. You're right, they sold 36,000 ticket for last year's final at 70 euro each. Very admirable.

    But here's the thing… it doesn't make any odds to UEFA. The TV rights for the Champions League alone, in just the five biggest European markets, are €2.5 billion per year. Add in the rest of the world, sponsorship, ticket sales, whatever… They could give all the final tickets away for free, or they could charge €1000 euro for the worst seats in the house, and it's still just a rounding error in their accounts.

    In contrast, IRFU needs the money from ticket sales. They simply have to charge what they think they can charge.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,080 ✭✭✭✭The Iron Giant


    No, I didn't. Another poster claimed that "most of the country" had to pay €850 per couple. I absolutely agree it's not accurate, but you can take it up with him tbh.

    It's not really what I was getting at. Your argument was that knocking €50 off the price of tickets inferred that it's somewhat meaningless, using the €850 example. Mine was that if you use the €400 example for someone in Dublin, it is meaningful.

    It has always been thus and it is unrelated to price. You did, however, omit the people who get tickets through their local clubs which is a significant proportion.

    Yes of course. So for those people add around €300 per annum (based on my club) to have a chance of access. Furthering the "ya gotta have money" narrative as well as the 'knowing someone' argument as a lot of clubs operate on references.

    yeah that was kind of the point. Like, when someone says "it's not brain surgery", you're not actually comparing something with brain surgery.

    That's fair enough and I know what you were trying to say but the Superbowl is one of few examples (vs. the other side of the coin), of a more expensive sporting event. Irish rugby is by far the most expensive and exclusive sports (and possibly more expensive that most music gigs, which whilst not directly relevant is interesting) to attend in Ireland. So in terms of Irish sports and events, it actually is 'brain surgery' or Superbowl prices comparatively.

    But here's the thing… it doesn't make any odds to UEFA. The TV rights for the Champions League alone, in just the five biggest European markets, are €2.5 billion per year. Add in the rest of the world, sponsorship, ticket sales, whatever… They could give all the final tickets away for free, or they could charge €1000 euro for the worst seats in the house, and it's still just a rounding error in their accounts.

    Sure, but were they charging extortionate prices when they weren't rolling it? I doubt it. The ECPR desperately needs money too and they're not charging extortionate costs.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,781 ✭✭✭50HX


    The 850 to 800 argument doesnt stack up as you are focusing on the loss of revenue for the irfu as the sole point.

    My take on it would be stop gouging the supporter, there is no planet that a pair of tickets in the crows nest v Italy is worth €300.

    Top it off then the Friday night matches are a real 2 fingers to anybody outside the M50, I'd love to see the attendance of a Friday kick off if the coperate tag ons weren't going along.

    The GAA get loads of bad press at times but here's a great example of a Div 1 league match a few weeks ago my young lad went to.

    Kerry v Roscommon in Killarney

    Match ticket & programme & he still had change out of a tenner.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,799 ✭✭✭COH


    Comparing a Kerry vs Roscommon league game in Killarney to an international rubgy match is one of the most idiotic stretches I've seen on here, and thats saying something.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,781 ✭✭✭50HX


    If you think its a direct comparison I can't really help you.

    I'm talking about not screwing the supporter, they could easily charge a tenner a head for the same ticket but they dont

    Its an example, same as urc is not test level yet you are not royally roded to see a urc or CC game but you know that already



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,799 ✭✭✭COH


    And even then a quick google indicates that 85% of the seats were empty.

    They didnt charge more because logistically there is close to no demand for it - not because they want to be sound.

    Its not the same thing.

    And there are plenty of expensive tickets for high demand URC games and CC matches. There were tickets to Leinster/Quins group game for north of €160 last Dec!.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,781 ✭✭✭50HX


    I never said it was comparable what I'm saying is there are other sports that don't screw supporters financially as much.

    I'm giving a league match as an example of that.

    Re attendance the same young fella can get a Cusack/Davin ticket for €10 for an all ireland semi final...plenty of demand for that



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,799 ✭✭✭COH


    Mad what you can charge when you dont have to pay the players isnt it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,781 ✭✭✭50HX


    Mad its your 2nd point when the attendance you pointed out didnt stack up v all ire semi final day. GAA doesnt run on fresh air either.

    I take your point re paying players but doesnt get away from the fact that what's being charged for ire games in the aviva is well over above where it should be imo.

    Its just my opinion, if people want to pay it then thats up to them.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 5,320 Mod ✭✭✭✭Lost Ormond


    I dont think any of the above is true. I can get tickets to basically any game i want through none of the above options. i will get it like most i know through their club/school/organisation involved in running the game like refs etc.

    The clubs still get loads of tickets so i dont know how you could not mention them in all the groups you listed.

    As others have mentioned i dont think comparing ticket prices to many soccer games or wimbledon is fair. they make so much more of their income from media rights and so much more. rugby and the 6 nations dont so the unions do make much more from tickets so need to charge more.

    Cant criticise IRFU that much for Friday night games and you cant at all compare a league match in gaa in feb with a 6 nations game. theyre not in the same universe.

    I dont think it is well above what it should be. IRFU run a fairly tight financial ship. cut tenner off most international tickets would immediately see huge cut to IRFU income which over few years would see job losses. so your local ccros going into schools to grow game etc. are at bottom of the pile and likely to be first to lose jobs. etc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,080 ✭✭✭✭The Iron Giant


    As I said in another post, I did forget clubs but as I also said, that costs money to join and clubs don't get huge allocations so it's more money and no guarantee.

    That's good for you that you can get tickets from contacts when you want but I can assure you that you're in the minority. Most people I know who would attend (or would like to attend) rugby wouldn't have it so easy. And if anything screams 'elite', its needing to know someone to get tickets.

    Cutting a tenner would cause job losses? Jeez, you need to stop drinking the IRFU kool-aid. What a load of absolute nonsense. You'd swear they were just about getting by.

    Post edited by The Iron Giant on


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,781 ✭✭✭50HX


    Jaysus the irfu are infallible to some

    Can't criticise the irfu for a Friday night games, (fair enough the winter Olympics were starting hence the Thurs),

    Nothing wrong with the pricing from the poster who doesnt pay for a ticket....I ain't buying it 😁...pardon the pun



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 227 ✭✭IHateNewShoes


    I used to get excited when I saw that I hadn't seen some posts on this thread with the hope of some good ticket related information... The good old days.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42 wexilad


    same here have been looking on ticketmaster all week . Seen a small handful of single tickets appear today looking for 2 tickets



  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 14,476 Mod ✭✭✭✭pc7


    Haven't seen any pairs at all Wexilad, have been keeping an eye, only singles have been showing. Keep an eye around lunchtime, always seems to be a few the day before at lunch, you might get lucky.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 5,320 Mod ✭✭✭✭Lost Ormond


    Clubs get a very sizeable allocation like most areas in the game. so people directly involved in the sport at all levels through club membership. active involvement in the game through the season get tickets ahead of those who are not.. thats only right. i am far from a minority. I get tickets from local clubs/schools or my referee association. all because im directly involved in the grassroots game. nearly all people i know who go to games get tickets for irish games for the same reason. theyre members, and very active at that, members of the game in clubs 2/3 days a week. none of that screams elite to me.

    Yes cutting a tenner off 150000 tickets if just talking about 6 nations games. then if we were to include november games. over course of a few years. IRFU would be down how much…. theyd have to cut costs and it would be job losses.

    I dont pay for tickets because i get them as thanks for refereeing games. its not like im getting them completely free. its for refereeing maybe 6/7 mid week schools games.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42 wexilad




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,789 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


    Cutting a tenner would cause job losses? Jeez, you need to stop drinking the IRFU kool-aid. What a load of absolute nonsense. You'd swear they were just about getting by.

    Of course it would. Let's say six home games per year x 50,000 tickets x 10 euro per ticket = 3 million euro per year.

    For an organisation that is already running a deficit, that is simply not an option. This is hard reality.

    And here's the thing, it would be pointless. Someone who cannot afford or objects to paying €150 for a ticket is not going to think that €140 is a fair price. To really move the needle, you would need to cut the price by 30-50 per ticket and then you very much are in the realms of running the IRFU into the ground.

    Maybe if/when IRFU returns to a surplus, but for now, big price reductions would not seem to be on the agenda.

    As I said in another post, I did forget clubs but as I also said, that costs money to join and clubs don't get huge allocations so it's more money and no guarantee.

    Nobody joins a rugby club and pays the subs solely for the chance of international tickets.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,080 ✭✭✭✭The Iron Giant


    Nobody joins a rugby club and pays the subs solely for the chance of international tickets.

    Never said they did. Point was that getting tickets through a club costs more than just the price of the ticket - again showing the ultimate cost of getting tickets is quite pricey - something that only those who are in a very secure financial position could afford. And I'm not saying there's anything wrong with that for one minute - but it reinforces that you generally have to be wealthy (or at least in a very secure financial position) to attend Ireland games.

    Post edited by The Iron Giant on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,427 ✭✭✭OldRio


    Well the money has to keep rolling in for the IRFU. All those houses they buy don't purchase themselves.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,781 ✭✭✭50HX


    By that logic why not increase the ticket price by a tenner then & rake in further revenue?

    Surely the same people who are happy/can afford/willing to pay 150 will pay 160 a ticket for example.

    There has to be a limit & I'm mainly talking about people who can afford to pay but they obviously happy enough to fork it out.

    The people who can't afford 150 are not going to afford 140 either in all honesty.

    Its up to the cohort who can pay to say enough is enough...won't happen though & easy enough fill Aviva compared to the capacity of the other major grounds in 6N's



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