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Landlords selling 2026

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,218 ✭✭✭SupaCat95


    I would say the Government are doing everything they can to aggrivate the situation. Draconian planning, taxations, excessive health and safety …… (Can someone who actually know something more about construction comment please). They are freely letting in far more people than the country can handle without thought or consequence. There are adults living at home which is criminal (unless they are carers or tied to the family farm/business).

    Yet we still want to blame the small landlord with one to four properties.

    Ease up the planning and let farmers sons and daughter build on their own property, ease up on the taxation and red tape, end alot of this nonsense of protected buildings. Too much government interference kills everything



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,046 ✭✭✭Villa05


    Everything in this video applies to Ireland. The tragedy is that we have the resources to fix it, instead we are using our resources to make it worse



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,972 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    Well I would agree with you.

    I will say about building on farms it's that we don't want to scatter housing across the landscape than then makes it's difficult then to provide services. We are turning our countryside into urban sprawl with one off developments. We will lose our cultural and national identity the way we are going.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,589 ✭✭✭Emblematic


    Apparently one of his companies, Percolt, was trying to lease properties to Dublin City Council for social housing but fell through due to being below the standard acceptable to the council.

    At the meeting, Mulhern said, “When we got to the point about inspecting the property and looking at what was actually constructed, it was felt that actually it wasn't at the right standard than what we needed to be able to put our tenants into.”

    “Unfortunately, we had to make a difficult decision to say, well, we can't take a property on, that isn't going to meet the necessary building standards, etc,” he said.

    With the offer removed, the landlord would now have to either sell up, or rent privately under the new rules. I admit I am speculating here a bit, but possibly this is why he is so bothered about the new rules and hoping they would be scrapped, and ultimately ended up doing what he did.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,972 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    Seems unclear what the issue was

    "...Asked about this on Thursday, a spokesperson for Percolt Limited said they were “surprised” to hear about Mulhern’s remark about standards.

    These remarks come as a surprise as Dublin City Council have carried out their regular inspections and to date have not raised any issues, but the contrary, have been complementary to how well the building has been repurposed and retro fitted,” the Percolt Limited spokesperson said...."

    I don't see what difference the new rules make to a very large landlord. Its mostly going to effect small landlords.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,589 ✭✭✭Emblematic


    It looks like they were delayed by the bad weather leading up to DCC's deadline, so although DCC may not have said anything formally, the landlord would have known that they would not be meeting the standard and that DCC would be pulling out.

    “Like many construction projects across the country over the past number of months, progress has been affected by a sustained periods of inclement weather which have impacted elements of the construction programme,” they said.

    This, as I have mentioned, would have meant that he would have to either let out the flats under the new rules (which he doesn't like) or sell on the open market.

    I think rentals are still viable under the new rules from a financial perspective. In fact viability improved in some respects. What goes is political rent-seeking leverage, as the ability to evict at will when selling is greatly reduced. Landlords big and small can use this leverage to prevent regulatory change if they feel it is detrimental to them. My speculation is that this particular landlord was attempting to exercise this leverage in this case in the recent Wexford eviction attempts.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,972 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    This example disproved your own theory.

    10k of large landlords do not have the voting influence of 330k tenants.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,589 ✭✭✭Emblematic


    Assuming you are talking to me, where did I say that?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,972 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    I've no idea what delays due to weather have got to do with meeting council standards.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,589 ✭✭✭Emblematic


    The landlord was blaming weather on delays and therefore failing to meet the required standards in time. It makes sense, weather does delay construction projects, but whether you believe him in this case is another matter.

    If you don't mind me asking, might you quote the bits you are querying rather than have people wonder what you are talking about? I'm assuming you are talking about the landlord in Wexford who tried to evict those people and the same who had a lease deal withdrawn in with DCC.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,972 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    I'm curious what required standard did it not meet. No roof, no windows? Weather hardly effected a missing microwave or fire blanket or bit of paint.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,589 ✭✭✭Emblematic


    All we know is that according to the landlord, delays due to weather were the cause of their failure to meet the required standards. It is not me that is saying that. Have you considered asking him? I would not expect more specific detail to be published in this kind of report.

    Can I ask the purpose of this query? If your point is that his statements are not credible, I'm inclined to agree with you based on earlier things he has said.

    Also, when you said "10k of large landlords do not have the voting influence of 330k tenants.", can I ask what post you are referring to where this was said? I asked this already but you have made several posts since without addressing it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,972 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    The developer just said it was delayed to weather. The Assistant Chief Executive Mick Mulhern said it wasn't to standard. The connection between those two things is unknown. You've implied it's connected I don't think the news report did.

    It's odd in national crisis of housing for a public body just to a U-turn on so many properties. Considering the sheer amount of breeches of regulations that have arisen due to the lack of oversight from Authorities

    Makes no difference to the developer the private market will lap them up and pay more anyway.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,589 ✭✭✭Emblematic


    Might I ask if you read the article? According to the landlord

    “We are progressing through the normal stages of completion and certification, which must be satisfied before any homes can be made available for occupation,” they said.

    “We continue to engage with relevant stakeholders as the development advances toward completion,” they said.

    So at the time of writing, the landlord was still in the process of completion, i.e., not complete. If DCC required the property to be complete at a certain point in time prior to, or up to, the time of writing then by the landlord's own admission, the properties were not complete and so the deal could not go ahead.

    My speculation, and I admit it is speculation, is that the landlord would have known he was behind schedule a good while before DCC's deadline, and therefore would probably end up needing either sell the units or rent them under the new rules, thus his protest evictions in Wexford.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,972 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    There is a big difference between not complete and not up to standard.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,589 ✭✭✭Emblematic


    I'm afraid I'm having to spell everything out for you, that a simple read of the article would sort out. Yes there's a difference. It is possible for something to be complete, but to have been completed to a lower standard than required and so the deal could be rejected on that basis, in this case, the development wasn't even complete, and what is more, the landlord is not disputing this but rather blaming the inclement weather on this lack of completion.

    According to DCC:

    At the meeting, Mulhern said, “When we got to the point about inspecting the property and looking at what was actually constructed, it was felt that actually it wasn't at the right standard than what we needed to be able to put our tenants into.”

    “Unfortunately, we had to make a difficult decision to say, well, we can't take a property on, that isn't going to meet the necessary building standards, etc,” he said.

    So it wasn't liveable. There were obviously other options for the tenants and they have all been rehoused according to the article. Some of them are in areas they might not have chosen but possibly lucky given what we know of the landlord who's building the council would have leased.

    I wonder would you have had a chance to find the post you were responding to when you said:

    It is not clear what you are talking about here.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,972 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    You've implied the delay was the cause of failing to meet the standards.

    "...landlord was blaming weather on delays and therefore failing to meet the required standards in time..."

    The developer just said it's been delayed due to weather. Didn't associate it with the standards at all.

    And there's no landlord if there's no tenants. Does the article say Landlord anywhere.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,589 ✭✭✭Emblematic


    There's been a couple of threads about it on boards and a surprising number of people thought it was OK. I will try to find one of them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,589 ✭✭✭Emblematic




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 324 ✭✭MadeInKerry


    The cynic in me thinks that the council were out of money and looking for a way out of this. They could have easily waited a few weeks/months for the properties to be finished up to an acceptable standard.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,878 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams


    Coucils are purchasing large amounts of homes across the country.

    Where does the funding for these purchases come from?

    I suppose it comes from a separate budget to the day to day running of services.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,972 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    They seem to imply it wasn't to do with the delay. But I agree the council wanted out for some reason.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 324 ✭✭MadeInKerry


    They come from the ministers budget. Which is not on a good place. He will be told he is spending too much. Then he will pass that on down. But politically you cant just say you arent spending anymore money on social housing this year, so it must end up someone elses fault. We always know the spending on housing is not sustainable.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,972 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    You are probably right they decided to cut costs.

    "...For years, the council sometimes took long-term leases on apartments instead of buying them. But the last government’s housing plan, Housing for All, said the plan was to phase that out by 2025.

    It’s just not good value for money, the department decided. After paying all that cash over decades, the council doesn’t end up with the property..."

    I mean that's the point of the article asking what the council is at.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,878 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams


    Yes, councils or AHBs should not be renting property and storing up potential mass evictions in the future.

    There does need to be more pressure applied to councils and AHBs to build or forward fund their own developments instead of land grabbing private stock and pushing prices up for all.

    The councils & AHBs should also split their new developments equally between cost rental, affordable and social housing.

    In 2024, only about 4% of new builds in Dublin went for sale in the private market.

    If councils and AHBs werent taking the stock intended for private developments this percentge would be much higher and prices would drop lower as supply of private stock increases.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,589 ✭✭✭Emblematic


    In fairness to the council, they did say that the that the properties were not yet up to the required standard, and even the developer admits that there were delays and that the properties were not yet ready, blaming it on inclement weather.

    I'm not sure the money aspect holds up either as all the tenants were housed elsewhere in finished properties.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,972 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,664 ✭✭✭Fol20


    Yet another large landlord wanting out in Limerick. I love the way the article mentions asking for the landlord to withdraw and look for another solution but the government have blocked all other routes for the landlord by saying 2pc cap is permanent and the only way to realise value is by selling. If some of these tenants are there 15 years. I’d wager their rent is 50-60pc below market rent.

    I expect we will continue to see this to happen

    http://www.rte.ie/news/2026/0313/1563306-eviction-limerick/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,551 ✭✭✭csirl


    The irony is that if this guy puts the block on the market it most likely will be purchased for a very inflated price by the local authority or housing association for social housing. Councils paying inflated prices makes it very attractive to sell up.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,972 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    I dunno what you mean it only happens with small landlords never large landlords. Large landlords are perfect in every way.



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