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Transdev loses contract

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,441 ✭✭✭nullObjects


    Wonder if it was "Due to a non luas related incident"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 83 ✭✭top floor




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,040 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    From the article

    A french-english consortium Amey and Keolis will take over from Transdev

    They operate the DLR and the manchester tram service

    Overall we should see no real change



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 33,262 ✭✭✭✭HeidiHeidi


    Is the Luas really 22 years old??? 😱

    Also, why did I have Veolia in my head as the operator?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,681 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    It's such a normal part of Dublin now you would almost forget that prominent people were declaring it would be a white elephant.



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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 13,467 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cookiemunster


    Veolia became Veolia Transdev which became Transdev somewhere around 2012.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,987 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    at a guess I’ve been on it a dozen or so times over those years. When in Dublin City I used to enjoy a post shopping pint or pre gig pint down in the Dice Bar of occasion so would get it from the centre of town down that way and back…and I’ve also been out to the square once on it….

    They made the same mistake as with the Dart, not ambitious enough… only two lines covering a city of this size and population. Look at the Luas map overlaying the city..😵‍💫 Money they’ll argue.. right we are seeing now that money and attaining and ‘investing’ it is possible when the cause is right on, popular, convenient and trendy enough…

    Where I live according to google maps I’m 2.4 kilometres from the nearest Luas stop and no really convenient way to get to it, unless I drive. I’m 4.3 kilometres from the nearest Dart station. So neither are of any tangible use.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,758 ✭✭✭DayInTheBog


    Be grateful. I'm 7km from my town. A bus passes by my road but doesn't stop. The last stop before town is 3km in the opposite direction so 10km from town. There is no other option other than the car



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 75,483 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    And it was originally Connex, who became Veolia.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,922 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    yes and the same people were at the same nonsense when it came to any and all public transport investment.

    they got discredited every time not that it stopped them.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,922 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    yes and the same people were at the same nonsense when it came to any and all public transport investment.

    they got discredited every time not that it stopped them.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,922 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    if i remember rightly they were the original operator and got taken over by transdev who then inherrited the operation.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,922 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    they were originally the operator, they got taken over by transdev.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,324 ✭✭✭✭LambshankRedemption


    When I lived in dublin I used it twice a day minimum at least 6 days a week. The last few times I was in Dublin it was so full that Ive basically given up on it. I last lived in Dublin and was going to the office early 2020, even in those days, if I was not leaving the office at 5pm, I might as well work til 7(or go for a pint) because there'd be no getting on it until about 7. Ive stood at the Dundrum luas line trying to get to Cherrywood around 6pm too many times only for a jam packed luas to arrive and no-one getting off.

    The experiment is over and it was a success. Now, government go and build more lines. And dont say, but, but, but Metro…

    I reckon they should create 4 or 5 spur lines out from dart stations, running perpendicular to the dart line. And then where those lines terminate, have another line that meets all the terminating stations.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,740 ✭✭✭✭Cookie_Monster


    7km is less than 20 mins cycle on a bike...

    Why are we even entertaining non EU companies bid to run it?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,324 ✭✭✭✭LambshankRedemption


    Well if we'd allowed the chinese to build the Metro we'd have it by now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,633 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    What's wrong with driving to either, parking the car and then using them?

    Lots of people "park and ride".

    The mentality that you cannot do both is one that people need to get over.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,633 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    There has been a big expansion of the trams on the Green Line since 2020, with the delivery of the additional longer trams on the Green Line and the extension of the existing green line fleet, so I would counter that the experience you had is not still the issue it was.

    Also, surely if you were going from Dundrum to Cherrywood, the intelligent thing to do would be to board a Sandyford bound tram and get off at Sandyford and change to a Brides Glen tram there, given that large numbers of people get off at the stops between Dundrum and Sandyford?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,085 ✭✭✭Rocket_GD


    It really depends on where the poster is living. There's no park and ride option available at multiple green line stops, Dundrum, Windy Arbour, Milltown, Beechwood, Ranelagh, Charlsestown etc.

    Park and ride is mainly available at the first couple of stops.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,633 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    Of course it does, but I have lost count of the number of people who have posted over the years that they can’t use public transport around the country because they’d have to drive to it, missing the point that this is a valid option in many cases!

    Many of the stops have bus routes that offer connections too.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,085 ✭✭✭Rocket_GD


    Yes it does seem to be an intrinsic belief in a lot of people's minds that there should not be a change over while using public transport. This is common throughout Europe, get off a train/bus to then get onto a tram.

    Unfortunately PT hasn't been prioritised in the country for decades and there's many who don't see using one form of it as a valid option, let alone two to make a single journey.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 12,192 Mod ✭✭✭✭BeerNut


    Where I live according to google maps I’m 2.4 kilometres from the nearest Luas stop and no really convenient way to get to it, unless I drive. I’m 4.3 kilometres from the nearest Dart station. So neither are of any tangible use.

    This is where BusConnects has been a gamechanger for me. I'm about 3km from the Red and Green lines in different directions meaning I rarely thought to use them But now the S2 connects me to both for no additional fare, with onward options to either Heuston or Sandymount DART.



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 24,122 Mod ✭✭✭✭bk


    Yep the orbital routes and 90 minute tickets are a game changer. I can now get the N2 or N4 to Clontarf DART station or future Metrolink station.

    Ah now, if the Chinese were doing it, they would still have to deal with our planning and judicial system, even the Chinese can't magic that away!

    Plus I don't know why people like to get all excited by a dictator led country with terrible human rights and workers rights and safety record!

    And it really doesn't make sense when we have fantastic examples here in Europe, in Madrid as an example, of them building Metros famously on time and on budget with no such corner cutting.

    Well I'll mention it, once Metrolink is built, the Green line should also be upgraded to Metro as it will solve the specific issues you mention here.

    We of course also need to build more Luas lines, see the Luas 2050 Vision.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 222 ✭✭TerrieBootson


    Maybe we'll see some new rolling stock. Some of the older ones are in rag order



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,040 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    As well as Cork, Galway, surprised Limerick Luas hasn't been mentioned yet!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,469 ✭✭✭markpb


    The operator just operates whatever trams TII/NTA provide to them, it's not like the UK's awful ROC setup.

    There is a separate tender for replacement rolling stock and, according to that article from 2024, it should be awarded around about now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,324 ✭✭✭✭LambshankRedemption


    Say, anything, ANYTHING, negative about the Luas and LXFlyer will be on in its defense. Like his comment to me saying i should have gone back to sandyford, and waited on another impossibly packed tram to go to cherrywood.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,633 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    Hang on a minute. I use the public transport network every single day in Dublin, and I think that does allow me to give a more informed view than someone who hasn't lived in Dublin for five years?

    Things have changed in that time.

    I stand over my comment - you said that you were going from Dundrum to Cherrywood.

    Are you seriously saying that a reasonably large number of people on outbound trams do not get off between Dundrum and Sandyford in the evenings?

    I think you'll find that they do, and therefore it ought to be easier to get on an outbound tram at Sandyford than Dundrum as a result.

    Or perhaps you're just annoyed because you didn't think of doing that?

    Post edited by LXFlyer on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 899 ✭✭✭CreadanLady


    I wonder will the change in operator bring about a worsening of the operation of the service.

    I fear a hollowing out of the corp of experienced staff. They could be pushed out with deliberately shoddy treatment and conditions so they can replace them with a smaller number of cheaper inexperienced numpties who won't have a clue how to do things.

    Absentee management running the show from the UK and not giving a sh!te. Cut backs on maintenance and upkeep. Slipping standards of service delivery and safety. Probably won't be even cleaned as well any more.

    Anything run by absentee management is asking for trouble. And when it's UK absentee and rail related that's an even worse omen.

    I think this is a mess in the making.

    The MFV Creadan Lady is a mussel dredger from Dunmore East.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,469 ✭✭✭markpb


    The operators contract with NTA almost definitely involves penalties for poor performance. They might want to cut costs but if it means they have more incidents, fewer in-service kilometres delivered or too many deviations from the schedule, it’ll come out of their revenue.

    They’ll also be aware that a poor performance will make it harder to win future contracts such as MetroLink or the Cork/Galway tram lines, in the unlikely event that they are ever built.



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