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Ireland Team Talk XII: Farrell's First Fifteen

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 59 ✭✭bigmac86


    He definitely doesn't have the same acceleration off the mark as TOB or Balacoune. He can shift once he gets into his stride and I think thats why he has been so effective for Ulster at fullback this season, more time to get up a head of steam and pick cutting lines in field, rather than operating in narrow channels where speed is everything. Shame we didn't see him get a run at 15. He had a decent game against Wales and maybe would have thrived against England, but TOB/Balacoune deserve the start based on their form this six nations.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,409 ✭✭✭✭bilston


    Ha, well yeah backs don't win matches, forwards do so we'll see, I'm optimistic, but we'll see.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,790 ✭✭✭theVersatile


    James Ryan out with his calf, Darragh Murray on the bench

    Edit: wrong Murray brother



  • Administrators Posts: 56,306 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


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    Absolute bizarre bench.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 33,049 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


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    With the obvious proviso that Farrell knows what he is doing and is better at this than me….that is a stupid **** bench.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,012 ✭✭✭✭Clegg


    Ryan out weakens us quite a bit, I think. Been having a very good championship.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,659 ✭✭✭FtD v2


    James Ryan is a huge loss - he's had a strong tournament to date, and I feel when he's playing well he's absolutely central to Ireland (and Leinster) generating quick ruck ball.

    I wish him the absolute very best, but haven't seen anything up to now to suggest Darragh Murray is at the level required here, though I very much hope I'm wrong here. It's interesting he's got the nod ahead of Edogbo here, and it also explains why Henderson was training with the squad this week too. The rumours about the Irish coaching staff's concerns on Edogbo's fitness and ability to play big minutes at this level seem to be credible.

    A big part of me would rather have Iain Henderson sitting on that bench this weekend.

    Given the perceived weakness in the Scottish side was them losing Brown and Cummings, this gives back some of that advantage I feel. We need a big game from Joe McCarthy now (I'm confident Beirne will deliver).

    The only players on our bench I have a lot of confidence in to come in and make a big impact are Ronan Kelleher and Nick Timoney. I can't understand the Aki inclusion, he can only play one position, and it's the position where our best player in this championship plays, a guy we'd be really hoping doesn't come off the field. It would be scary thinking of those pacy Scottish backs running at a McCloskey-Aki centre combo.

    I'd rather have Prendergast there instead of Frawley too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,789 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


    Cormac Izuchukwu will be raging he was released for Ulster. Did not see Murray getting a call.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,954 ✭✭✭Utah_Saint


    Has Murray been training with the Ireland squad since the start of the 6nations?



  • Subscribers, Paid Member Posts: 44,924 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    Scotland have two locks that, up to last weekend, had never started a game against a tier 1 side.

    While Ryan is an obviously big loss, as he's been playing very well, his loss is somewhat negated due to the inexperience of the Scottish locks. Gilchrist at 35 is willing, but we should run him around the pitch with quick ball.

    I don't really mind Aki too much on the bench. Hopefully he will be told to give us the best few minutes he had left on his tank, should he be brought on.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,796 ✭✭✭ionadnapóca


    Yep! Not as confident I have to admit without Ryan. Thats a big loss.

    Stats from French game say that Scotland only turned over possession 8 times and threw 10 offloads.

    Thats and the quick rucks is what enabled those backs make 13 linebreaks.

    Scots still wont get anything like that against Ireland.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,403 ✭✭✭clsmooth


    Interesting thread from a poster on Reddit who has been analysing Irelands performances play by play since the start of the tournament.

    Some interesting observations on Doris’s scrum binding. Stockdale on play by analysis had a very strong game with lots of positive contributions. Kelleher, Conan and Ryan the other standouts. The later has had a great 6N and will be a big loss on Saturday.

    https://www.reddit.com/r/irishrugby/s/8YLNzzeemg



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,796 ✭✭✭ionadnapóca


    I belive so. Makes sense to have him there for LO because the Scots are so light at lock.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,659 ✭✭✭FtD v2


    It really underlines that they don't see Izuchukwu as a lock.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,659 ✭✭✭FtD v2


    Does Darragh Murray call lineouts for Connacht does anyone know?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,711 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    Yeah he was certainly in camp early on. I read he was particularly useful in lineout preparation. He must have made a good impression. I don't begrudge him a chance.

    Farrell has given other players a chance and most of them have made a good impression (even if they haven't pushed into the strongest 23).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,796 ✭✭✭ionadnapóca


    Bundee at 23. Has no logic. Hes rusty, he's slowed down (He's 35!!), what impact is he going to bring - You'd have to take off McCloskey!
    Would have preferred Frawley and Farrell over Aki.

    If Ringrose goes down Ireland are in big trouble.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,409 ✭✭✭✭bilston


    Playing his best rugby for Ireland for a while. Big loss.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 33,049 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    I don't see how Doak/Prendergast/Stockdale isn't just a much better bench tbh. There is just zero impact there but so be it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,659 ✭✭✭FtD v2


    Something interesting:

    The 23 we had that faced Scotland in February '25:

    (15-9, 1-8):

    Keenan, Nash, Henshaw, Aki, Lowe, Prendergast, Gibson-Park, Porter, Kelleher, Bealham, Ryan, Beirne, O'Mahony, van der Flier, Doris

    Reps: Sheehan, Healy, Clarkson, Baird, Conan, Murray, Crowley, Ringrose

    So - that's only 4 starters for us who are still starting YoY, or to frame it the other way, 11 changes. There are four on the bench who were involved as well, but to have 15 changes YoY is pretty wild.

    I think 5 of those changes are injury enforced (Keenan, Lowe, Porter, Ryan, Baird), and three are retirements (Healy, Murray, O'Mahony) but the other ones (Nash, Henshaw, Aki, Prendergast and Clarkson) are straight selection decisions.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,766 ✭✭✭leakyboots


    Was Ryan not poor enough the first couple of games, no? I don't know is there a whole lot between him and McCarthy to be honest. They both have their strengths and weaknesses



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,064 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    I am just baffled by Farrell's approach to the bench. He's clearly decided to bury Prendergast for the time being, but he's also not using Frawley as a 10. Last time he went to 15 and Osborne to 12, but Aki can only play 13, so is he going to replace both centres during the match? Aki offers nothing, just a complete waste of a selection.

    Doak should be the no 2 SH, he's just better than Casey imo, and he's the best kicker in the squad. It's not an impossibility that he's our starting SH come the WC.

    I think we'd be better off with Murray starting with Ryan out. If the game is in the balance, would you rather have him or McCarthy coming off the bench? Will Farrell even feel comfortable bringing him on in a tight game? Have him start, and go after their lineout. Murray is one of the best in the URC as a defensive jumper. Agree on Izuchukwu feeling aggrevied, really odd choice by Farrell. This would be a perfect game for his skillet, and he's played well to date.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,796 ✭✭✭ionadnapóca


    Interesting. Thanks

    Not sure did he actually identify the issue with how Doris is scrummaging at flanker?

    The reason Ireland are struggling at scrum time is very straightforward.

    1.The props arent very good.

    2.Sheehans height isnt helping.(hooker&props getting under him)

    3.Locks are in bad positions. (arse in air)

    4.Coaching hasnt addressed any of these.

    The Flankers bind is way down the list of issues with the scrum.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,676 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Doak must be absolutely ripping it up in the club game for everyone to be so sure how good he is.

    It's an odd bench and in particular bringing Aki back in for one game but Casey selected is probably the least controversial pick on the bench.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,295 ✭✭✭Paul Smeenus


    He was excellent against England, but he was woejous against France. The England game was more recent, ergo he's had a fantastic Six Nations.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,064 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    What threat does Casey present to the opposition? He's a non-factor, a worse version of Stringer. He brings an ok pass to the table and decent box kicks. Doak has had the benefit of playing a role for Ulster that demands more game management from him.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,403 ✭✭✭clsmooth


    Ryan was good off the bench against France. Are you referring to McCarthy?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,403 ✭✭✭clsmooth


    I think he was referring to how Doris seems to bind quite high in between both second rows at 8 splitting them (and contributing to their arses in the air as per your 3rd point). Would need to see more aerial images to see if that was a one off or actually his usually technique.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,295 ✭✭✭Paul Smeenus


    I thought Ryan was alright off the bench, but that's beside the point - yeah, full disclosure, I did get myself confused.

    Disregard!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,796 ✭✭✭ionadnapóca


    Good comparison. Allot of change

    You could say Nash, Henshaw and Aki were al injured/suspended in the lead up to the 6N and the selection decisions are Prendergast and Clarkson.

    Both of whom i think should be on the bench fwiw.



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