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Ireland Team Talk XII: Farrell's First Fifteen

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  • Subscribers, Paid Member Posts: 45,313 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    Scotland have two locks that, up to last weekend, had never started a game against a tier 1 side.

    While Ryan is an obviously big loss, as he's been playing very well, his loss is somewhat negated due to the inexperience of the Scottish locks. Gilchrist at 35 is willing, but we should run him around the pitch with quick ball.

    I don't really mind Aki too much on the bench. Hopefully he will be told to give us the best few minutes he had left on his tank, should he be brought on.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,951 ✭✭✭ionadnapóca


    Yep! Not as confident I have to admit without Ryan. Thats a big loss.

    Stats from French game say that Scotland only turned over possession 8 times and threw 10 offloads.

    Thats and the quick rucks is what enabled those backs make 13 linebreaks.

    Scots still wont get anything like that against Ireland.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,534 ✭✭✭clsmooth


    Interesting thread from a poster on Reddit who has been analysing Irelands performances play by play since the start of the tournament.

    Some interesting observations on Doris’s scrum binding. Stockdale on play by analysis had a very strong game with lots of positive contributions. Kelleher, Conan and Ryan the other standouts. The later has had a great 6N and will be a big loss on Saturday.

    https://www.reddit.com/r/irishrugby/s/8YLNzzeemg



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,951 ✭✭✭ionadnapóca


    I belive so. Makes sense to have him there for LO because the Scots are so light at lock.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,323 ✭✭✭FtD v2


    It really underlines that they don't see Izuchukwu as a lock.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,323 ✭✭✭FtD v2


    Does Darragh Murray call lineouts for Connacht does anyone know?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,018 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    Yeah he was certainly in camp early on. I read he was particularly useful in lineout preparation. He must have made a good impression. I don't begrudge him a chance.

    Farrell has given other players a chance and most of them have made a good impression (even if they haven't pushed into the strongest 23).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,951 ✭✭✭ionadnapóca


    Bundee at 23. Has no logic. Hes rusty, he's slowed down (He's 35!!), what impact is he going to bring - You'd have to take off McCloskey!
    Would have preferred Frawley and Farrell over Aki.

    If Ringrose goes down Ireland are in big trouble.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,475 ✭✭✭✭bilston


    Playing his best rugby for Ireland for a while. Big loss.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 33,849 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    I don't see how Doak/Prendergast/Stockdale isn't just a much better bench tbh. There is just zero impact there but so be it.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,323 ✭✭✭FtD v2


    Something interesting:

    The 23 we had that faced Scotland in February '25:

    (15-9, 1-8):

    Keenan, Nash, Henshaw, Aki, Lowe, Prendergast, Gibson-Park, Porter, Kelleher, Bealham, Ryan, Beirne, O'Mahony, van der Flier, Doris

    Reps: Sheehan, Healy, Clarkson, Baird, Conan, Murray, Crowley, Ringrose

    So - that's only 4 starters for us who are still starting YoY, or to frame it the other way, 11 changes. There are four on the bench who were involved as well, but to have 15 changes YoY is pretty wild.

    I think 5 of those changes are injury enforced (Keenan, Lowe, Porter, Ryan, Baird), and three are retirements (Healy, Murray, O'Mahony) but the other ones (Nash, Henshaw, Aki, Prendergast and Clarkson) are straight selection decisions.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,864 ✭✭✭leakyboots


    Was Ryan not poor enough the first couple of games, no? I don't know is there a whole lot between him and McCarthy to be honest. They both have their strengths and weaknesses



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,626 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    I am just baffled by Farrell's approach to the bench. He's clearly decided to bury Prendergast for the time being, but he's also not using Frawley as a 10. Last time he went to 15 and Osborne to 12, but Aki can only play 13, so is he going to replace both centres during the match? Aki offers nothing, just a complete waste of a selection.

    Doak should be the no 2 SH, he's just better than Casey imo, and he's the best kicker in the squad. It's not an impossibility that he's our starting SH come the WC.

    I think we'd be better off with Murray starting with Ryan out. If the game is in the balance, would you rather have him or McCarthy coming off the bench? Will Farrell even feel comfortable bringing him on in a tight game? Have him start, and go after their lineout. Murray is one of the best in the URC as a defensive jumper. Agree on Izuchukwu feeling aggrevied, really odd choice by Farrell. This would be a perfect game for his skillet, and he's played well to date.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,951 ✭✭✭ionadnapóca


    Interesting. Thanks

    Not sure did he actually identify the issue with how Doris is scrummaging at flanker?

    The reason Ireland are struggling at scrum time is very straightforward.

    1.The props arent very good.

    2.Sheehans height isnt helping.(hooker&props getting under him)

    3.Locks are in bad positions. (arse in air)

    4.Coaching hasnt addressed any of these.

    The Flankers bind is way down the list of issues with the scrum.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,674 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Doak must be absolutely ripping it up in the club game for everyone to be so sure how good he is.

    It's an odd bench and in particular bringing Aki back in for one game but Casey selected is probably the least controversial pick on the bench.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,336 ✭✭✭Paul Smeenus


    He was excellent against England, but he was woejous against France. The England game was more recent, ergo he's had a fantastic Six Nations.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,626 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    What threat does Casey present to the opposition? He's a non-factor, a worse version of Stringer. He brings an ok pass to the table and decent box kicks. Doak has had the benefit of playing a role for Ulster that demands more game management from him.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,534 ✭✭✭clsmooth


    Ryan was good off the bench against France. Are you referring to McCarthy?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,534 ✭✭✭clsmooth


    I think he was referring to how Doris seems to bind quite high in between both second rows at 8 splitting them (and contributing to their arses in the air as per your 3rd point). Would need to see more aerial images to see if that was a one off or actually his usually technique.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,336 ✭✭✭Paul Smeenus


    I thought Ryan was alright off the bench, but that's beside the point - yeah, full disclosure, I did get myself confused.

    Disregard!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,951 ✭✭✭ionadnapóca


    Good comparison. Allot of change

    You could say Nash, Henshaw and Aki were al injured/suspended in the lead up to the 6N and the selection decisions are Prendergast and Clarkson.

    Both of whom i think should be on the bench fwiw.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,951 ✭✭✭ionadnapóca


    Ok. Thanks I missed that.

    Maybe he's on to something.

    Dont know enough about it but I would think its a bit of a stretch to say Doris would be causing the locks arses to go up in the air!

    Definite issues with alignment with the irish scrum.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,868 ✭✭✭realhorrorshow


    Murray is probably the closest to Ryan stylistically, in that he's a bit of a 4.5. My concern is that his carrying, breakdown, and tackling stats are unremarkable in the URC and I'm not sure he'll be able to win collisions at this level. The optimistic take is that he's still quite young for a lock, has good experience for his age, good size, and is a strong lineout forward.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,044 ✭✭✭50HX


    I think Aki is in for his ball carring ability to get over the gain line.

    As good as Stu has been he diesnt get the yardage the likes of an Aki does, he looks to offload as soon as rather than gaining another few yards.

    Either that or its a swansong for him at home.

    Murray has been knocking around a few squads I think & is clearly seen in an early Joe Mc type in that they like what they see.

    Whatever happens on Sat the injuries have been a god send this championship in terms of getting to see others getting meaningful game time.

    Both centres are my concern re depth going forward & obviously 10 as well but all in when it's over Sat I think as a whole we can be happy with the development of a few & redemption opportunities for others, namely Stockdale & Frawley



  • Subscribers, Paid Member Posts: 45,313 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    Make no bones about it, it's a swan song for bundee.

    It will also be an important emotional moment on the game when he comes on, for both fans and players.

    If we're defending a lead in the last 10 and you've jack, stu, bundee, Jamie and ciaran hitting you back time after time in midfield you'll get disheartened



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,070 ✭✭✭jacothelad


    You must have been watching the wrong games if you think McCloskey doesn't make metres and just offloads. He frequently was seen dragging 2 and 3 tackling players for metre after metre. Perhaps you had a few little naps during the games.

    Based on stats after the opening three games of the 2026 Six Nations, Stuart McCloskey has been a top performer in post-contact metres (PCM), ranking 2nd in the whole tournament with ……102 post-contact metres.

    Metres made 258

    You have been helped. 😉



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,044 ✭✭✭50HX


    Apt username for the tone you use 😉

    I didnt say he doesnt make meters. I was referring to Farrell seeing him as a potential ball carrier off the bench

    Can you help me some more so & get an average of Aki's post contact meters say in the previous 3 years.

    I will look in again after my nap



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,307 ✭✭✭TRC10


    I don’t think we should be selecting a team with the goal of giving guys a swan song.

    But maybe that means I hate Ireland and want them to lose



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,534 ✭✭✭clsmooth


    Giving a guy a swan song? Or trying to use all the tools available to you to get a performance out of the whole team? I’d suggest it’s the later.

    I don’t particularly like Aki on the bench as a 23 but Farrell has form for getting a reaction from players. The players and crowd will be aware this could be the last time we see Aki in green. That can be used to generate a bit more positive energy on the pitch and in the stands.

    As someone who was in Cardiff last year, you could feel the mood in the stands and see the impact on the pitch when he came on.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,369 ✭✭✭✭Clegg


    Well you've gone out of your way to shite on the team for years.

    So yeah you probably do.



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