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US/Israel conduct airstrikes on Iran again

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 988 ✭✭✭vswr


    Yes, that is a picture of him explaining about the New Middle East (hexagon of alliance etc…)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 12,189 ✭✭✭✭J Mysterio


    When Zelenskyy said that he can't hold a presidential election because of the war, a light bulb appeared over the slobs fat head.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,217 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    I cannot see any scenario where the midterms are cancelled or deferred. They will proceed.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 988 ✭✭✭vswr


    Litmus test is whether mid-terms an be "deferred"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,616 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    We're into the extraordinary scenario of the twin rogue states of the US and Israel potentially losing a war that they started. A country can seemingly be 'victorious' in a conflict and yet effectively be the loser in strategic terms - it appears to be going in this direction. Loss of regional power, loss of influence etc, weakened leadership etc.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,530 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    Quoting the Protocols is definitely antisemitic. Do you agree? I doubt Israel would use that term, I expect its very popular in antisemitic circles though.

    I think this article (where you got the 2023 image from) gives better details of what Netanyahu said:

    https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/politics-and-diplomacy/article-760189

    That's not the way they mean it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,057 ✭✭✭thomil


    Those tankers probably have local pilots on board that have been briefed by Iran on the location of any mine fields and any safe channels through them. The Strait of Hormuz is restricted enough to make the use of pilots an easy sell to captains that don't know that seaway, even if hiring one isn't actually required. Chances are, said pilots are also going to be in contact with local IRGC naval commanders to communicate which ship should pass unmolested.

    Furthermore, Iran isn't stupid. They still have shipping that they want to get into and out of the Gulf without issues, so they're not going to completely close the strait by mining everything. There will be safe channels, especially since two of Iran's major ports, Bandar Abbas and Rajaei, are just inside the strait and form a vital link to the outside world. Just because Iran doesn't want the rest of the world to trade with the Gulf that doesn't mean that they want their own trade to be cut off as well.

    Good luck trying to figure me out. I haven't managed that myself yet!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,691 ✭✭✭yagan


    The interesting thing about the Chinese shipments is that other gulf states like Saudi Arabia and Bahrain in recent years have established currency swap arrangements with China, so with the US simply no longer able to guarantee their exports they will be forced to come to new security arrangements with Iran.

    China gets a 12% discount on the market crude rate from Iran in return for a 15 year structural investment agreement. 12% is a small discount to give for 15 years locked in compared to the current chaotic Trump protectionism which has brought export revenue to zero.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,053 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    Evangelicals were divided on slavery. The largest Evangelical Church in the US, the Southern Baptists, emerged from a split in the American Baptists over slavery. They supported slavery, whereas many northern Evangelicals like Harriet Beecher Stowe (author of "Uncle Tom's Cabin") and William Lloyd Garrison were anti slavery campaigners.

    The British were earlier in abolishing slavery than the Americans. But many ex slaves became indentured servants for some years before they were truly free. This includes slaves rescued from slave ships like those of Portugal.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,403 ✭✭✭✭machiavellianme


    There's a bit of a difference between holding an election in an active war zone and holding one that is completely isolated from the fallout of their lobbing bombs at some Middle Eastern state from afar.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 795 ✭✭✭JohnDoe2025


    International law held up pretty well over the decades until the Russian annexation of Crimea. While the UN could not prevent the problems in the Balkans for example, it was a large part of the solution, together with other international bodies such as NATO and the EU.

    There is a vast difference between the US (even under Trump) and routine breakers of international law such as Iran. We in Ireland continuously fail to see this difference. Look at the coverage here of the US sinking of an Iranian warship where questions were endlessly debated about the legitimacy, compared to the Iranian attacks on civilian shipping which is accepted as part of war. The acts by Iran are clearly war crimes, the action of the US was dubious, but may have been legal, especially as it appears warnings were given.

    International law has eroded because bad faith actors such as Russia, Iran and North Korea were allowed escape real sanction for egregious breaches of international law. If the law is not enforced against bad actors (as it wasn't for the last couple of decades), the law becomes irrelevant. It is the failure to take stronger action in the past that is to blame.

    P.S. Yes, I was being cynical, because it is very difficult to see alternative ways forward. Pontificating and hand-wringing from the Aras is certainly not going to change anything, hence my cynicism at those actions.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 795 ✭✭✭JohnDoe2025


    That photo has Israel in blue, countries friendly to Israel in green, other countries in a lighter shade, and a red line indicating something else, I don't see any reference to greater Israel.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,034 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    Depends on which slob you mean. Generally speaking elections don't get held in the country that is under attack. Most of Europe in the 20s and 40s for example. Bibi might be able to argue against elections until the regimes in Iran and Palestine stop attacking Israel. Trump would have less of an argument to make in this sense.

    Given that Trump is after starting a civil war and raised the cost of living and oil substantially the smart American voters will ensure the Republicans will lose their majorities in congress. Assuming there's enough American brainpower left over there



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,617 ✭✭✭CelticRambler


    They modify their transponder info to have their origin and destination ports to read "Chinese Crew/Chinese Customer" (or similar). They did the same in the Red Sea to ensure the Houthis knew they should be left alone.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,217 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Jesus why is it so difficult. It was 2023, please catch up. Have a look at the map and then open an atlas. It clearly shows Gaza and West Bank within the borders of Israel.

    (No answer expected)

    Post edited by Cluedo Monopoly on

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,036 ✭✭✭rogber


    Come back to me when of those major attacks on US soil actually succeeds... There has been nothing since 9/11, that's 25 years ago now...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,036 ✭✭✭rogber


    I think fair to say this war has been an absolute disaster apart from that one initial strike that took out so much of the leadership. But ultimately seems not much has changed, regime is still there, lots of innocent people have died and economic and regional chaos has been unleashed. All because of Netenyahu and Trump's egos and delusions. What vile human beings and what reprehensible populations for not being on the streets demanding an end to the war



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,217 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,691 ✭✭✭yagan


    I watched a few pass through on the MarineTraffic website. Plus Iran has other ports beyond the strait that Chinese ships can load up at. They aren't as developed as Kark island further up the gulf where loading a tanker will take only a couple of days compared to nearly a week in the other ports.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,691 ✭✭✭yagan


    They can cut off the strait as they have other ports east of it.

    The Irish sea was once mined from Wexford to south Wales to block off the southern approach while Atlantic trade went via the narrower northern passage between Scotland and NI.

    Strategically cutting off the strait while drastic is in defense a good tactic. Hitting Chinese flagged ships and consignments in Iran's eastern ports risk confrontation with China at a time when the US has withdrawn military assets from East Asia.

    The USA has waged a war it was unprepared for and without a defined goal.

    BTW, there's still no regime change in Venezuela.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,963 ✭✭✭Nermal


    Is this satire? That's the only explanation I can think of for dating the supposed breakdown of 'international law' from Crimea, and not from say, Libya, Gulf War II, or Afghanistan, or Gulf War I, or Panama, or the Afghanistan before that, or the Libya before that, or Chile… You've chosen a side; that's fine. But if you think that choice is justified because your side 'plays by the rules' and the other side doesn't, you're either a child or simpleton.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 277 ✭✭goldsparkle


    This 100%. I can't believe the Americans are not on the streets demanding for a snap election. Or I can believe it. Israel was mishaving for a long time too and I can't believe that government is not over turned.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 277 ✭✭goldsparkle


    Can the Iranians do us a favour and wipe out Trump?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,438 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Funny isn't it the blatant double standards. Now everyone is complaining about oil embargo's and oil tankers being hit, you could not make it up honestly. No doubt people will be moaning when the big Saudi pipeline that stretches across the country carrying 7 million barrels of oil goes up in smoke, that would be very nasty that would.

    UK has banned the Al Quds day march tomorrow. Should be interesting to see the turnout around the globe in support of the Palestinian cause in it's decades long struggle against apartheid and oppression.

    The old world is dying, and the new world struggles to be born: now is the time of monsters. — Antonio Gramsci



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 795 ✭✭✭JohnDoe2025


    You are showing ignorance of what happened in history. The UN authorised the 2003 Iraq war, passing several resolutions in support, as it did in support of the 1990/91 war.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Security_Council_Resolution_1441

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Security_Council_Resolution_1483

    If the UN had acted as strongly against Russia in 2014 as it did against Iraq for invading Kuwait, we would not be where we are today.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,438 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Too late now, it's either to the last Iranian and the other 240 million Shia or the total end of Western hegemony, with a sprinkling of a global financial meltdown for good measure.

    Always best to take a good deal when you get offered it.

    The old world is dying, and the new world struggles to be born: now is the time of monsters. — Antonio Gramsci



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 795 ✭✭✭JohnDoe2025


    The claim by the poster was that the map showed Greater Israel incorporating parts of Egypt, Syria and Lebanon among others. Thanks for confirming that claim was a lie.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,217 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    I don't know what the other poster suggested but the UN map was still very wrong. I know you don't like questions but are you suggesting that annexing the West Bank and Gaza does not constitute a plan for a greater Israel? Do you deny that Israel wants to expand it's borders?

    By the way Israel already occupy parts of Syria (Golan Heights) and Lebanon.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,530 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    No such thing as a snap election for POTUS. The states can have recall elections for state officials (House, Senate), they're rare, and controlled by the state.

    The only way to get CFTrump out of office, is either by impeachment and conviction, which has never happened and didn't even come close for his second impeachment, and the 25th amendment which the VP triggers and the cabinet votes on, afaik.

    Don't hold your breath; unless there are 66 votes in the Senate for conviction, it's just for show.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 554 ✭✭✭midlander12


    Interesting article about Israeli insiders' views on the war. Overall bad news, except that the consensus seems to be that the current phase of hostilities may end soon.

    We attacked Iran with no clear plan for regime change, Israeli security sources say | US-Israel war on Iran | The Guardian

    If Iran’s new leadership keeps its grip on power, the long-term measure of the success of the conflict may hang on the fate of 440kg of enriched uranium which was buried under a mountain by US strikes last June, former and serving Israeli defence and intelligence sources said. Enough for more than 10 nuclear warheads, Iran could use it to hasten the construction of a weapon if the material remains in the country. “These 440kg of uranium are one of the clearest litmus tests for how this war ends, whether it is a success,” said one former senior Israeli defence and intelligence official who worked on Iran. “We need to be in a position where either this material is out of Iran, or you have a regime where you are confident that it is safeguarded [inside Iran] in a very meaningful way.”

    On regime change:-

    “It’s wishful thinking,” said one of the intelligence sources. “We used to have a plan how to take out the ballistic missiles, how to deal with the nuclear sites, how to take care of the military industry in Iran. But I never heard that we knew how to do a campaign [of regime change] from the air.“We never knew how to get into the heads of 90 million people. So how would we know how to assess whether they would go to the streets or not? We are hoping they will go.”

    On length of current war (nearly over apparently):-

    Israel’s priority now is to make Iran and its proxies as weak as possible as soon as possible, even though the war risks spurring longer-term Iranian efforts to develop a nuclear weapon, multiple current and former officials have said…….

    “The IDF are on the verge of concluding this campaign. They are not going to say this, because it’s a political directive [when it will end], but from a military point of view they’ve fulfilled almost all the mission,” he said. “Two weeks, and it’s over after that.”

    On Israel in the region and internationally:-

    Israel’s embrace of military power as the only path to security risks leaving it isolated in the Middle East and, in the longer term, perhaps internationally. “Israel is not willing or able to capitalise on its dramatic military achievements by trying to move to the more political aspect of building new alliances,” another former senior official said. “I am fearful we will still be stuck in this place.”



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