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Kilkenny GAA Thread

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 357 ✭✭KK36


    Eoin Cody, Mikey Butler and Mossy have all stars but no all Ireland. Might have been aimed at them.

    Does Paddy Deegan?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 601 ✭✭✭usualstripes


    The reason 80% of the tickets are sold out for the Munster Chanmpionship, if thats the case, is that you couldnt pick a winner from all of the teams involved. Any team of 5 could win the Munster Championship. The case in Leinster has been more or less one way traffic for 25 years. This has to have an effect. I agree re clubber above, its a great service for only €150 for the year and we make great use of it at home but when it comes to Inter provincial championships, nothing beats being there. Maybe the county board could trial concessions for adult tickets for Kilkenny GAA members? Would this get people to travel to matches? Yes, you would have to pay for membership but if you got €10 off match tickets, it would be worth it at the end of it all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 284 ✭✭hogans heroes


    100 % with Andy



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 174 ✭✭JohnCougar


    Where did you get that 80% of tickets were already sold?? This has come out today.

    Munster GAA have today confirmed that tickets for the first three rounds of the Munster Hurling Championship will be sold exclusively through county boards to clubs.Tickets for rounds 4 & 5 will go on public sale from April 8. Competing counties will also receive allocations.

    At least the club supporters will get tickets when they are on sale through the clubs.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,007 ✭✭✭Village87


    Apologies if that is incorrect, i thought there was a sale on these previously and 80% of available tickets were sold out. Ill try find the article



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,458 ✭✭✭✭Realt Dearg Sec


    Well whatever about the specific numbers, the fact that they are going through the clubs for round robin matches puts to bed the notion that our bad attendance are due to players throwing the ball or scoring points from too far out, or television. Attendance have never been higher as long as there's some drama involved. To me, there's three issues, one is that kilkenny fans have never been particularly good for turning up in numbers, and those that are have always been too quiet,2013 v tipp in nowlan Park is memorable precisely because it's a total exception to the rule. Second issue is that Leinster has been not just predictable, but totally boring: the quality of the hurling is way lower than in Munster. Third is, ultimately it feels like the Leinster championship doesn't matter.

    Good news on the second and third points is that I think in the next couple of years kk and Galway will be better teams. Both of them. Not sure what to do about the first point though. You can't force people to be better fans.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 174 ✭✭JohnCougar


    Some journalists are always coming up with bull **** articles.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 284 ✭✭hogans heroes


    I have travelled all over the country for many years because its a ppassion.didnt go to salthill as there and wexford park there is always a breeze and are terrible to get out of.nothing beats being there but the throwing of the ball has devalued the game look forward to travelling down to thurles Saturday week ans supporting the team



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,691 ✭✭✭Marrooned


    ye hoping to make Thurles if fit. Andy Comerford, a legend 100% right in everything he said. Would the CB want to hear that podcast not on your life.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,691 ✭✭✭Marrooned


    Did the KK minors play Westmeath on Saturday?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 319 ✭✭Sir Chaz


    Free Palestine 🇵🇸



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,691 ✭✭✭Marrooned


    thanks Chaz,that mightn’t have been too bad,considering Westmeaths progress in recent years.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,404 ✭✭✭Ceist_Beag


    It's farcical. So many promises were made at two Bord na nOg meetings towards the end of last year, there was so much optimism that finally the juvenile fixtures might be improved this year. Most people leaving the second meeting agreed that it sounded like most of the concerns raised were being addressed. We're almost at St Patrick's day and already a number of the promises have been broken and there isn't a sign of a fixture yet so God only knows when the season will start.

    We were promised that gradings for this year would be resolved before the end of last year - the last I heard, there are still appeals being considered. We were also told that the gradings would be transparent so that everyone could see why teams were put in each grade - that did not happen and some of the gradings this year were the most bizarre gradings that you would wonder what sort of thought at all went into them.

    We were promised that all clubs would have the full schedule of fixtures for the whole year by early January. And yet we're waiting for our first fixture!

    We were promised that there would be a minimum of 6 games in the league at both U16 and minor and that the league would be wrapped up before the break for the exams in mid May. That simply won't happen now given the unexplained delay. As things stand we don't know if that means the proposed new championship structures are also in doubt, if the league has to continue into July, or if there is some other plan.

    We were promised that communication would improve as it was widely flagged as an issue in previous years. Despite the above failings, not a single email has gone out to clubs apologising for the delay, explaining why there is a delay or providing any suggestion as to when things might start moving.

    I know there are new members in the board this year and that some long serving members have left but that is no excuse for this mess.

    All the talk of the current adult team failings can be at least partially attributed to the failings at underage and unless and until things improve there, it's hard to see much optimism further down the line.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 453 ✭✭Nedflanders02


    I'd imagine the problem here is the problem that has been there the last number of years and that's one man running Bord na nOg the he wants it done and not the way that the clubs, main board, coaching and games committee and players want it ran. Until he is gone things will never improve in Bord na nOg!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 319 ✭✭Sir Chaz


    No coincidence our underage structures and teams have deteriorated so much during the past 10 year or so. Not ones man fault either, it's mainly down to a complete dereliction of duty from the county board. Bord na NOg has been a shambles for years and the Co Board management have sat back and watched with arms folded.
    Mick Fennelly did his best to correct things but they penny pinched there too and by all accounts he eventually he became so frustrated with the bureaucracy he left.

    Free Palestine 🇵🇸



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,007 ✭✭✭Village87


    Are clubs part of the problem ? How can we have gone from producing an abundance of skillful, ball winning players with character 15 years ago to producing the complete opposite over the last 15 years ? Is it the modern society or what is the issue, just thinking outside the box.


    Although it is another sport but the same association we produced players like Kobe McDonald in an abundance 20 years ago,



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 453 ✭✭Nedflanders02


    The main board aren't free from criticism here either but Bord na nOg have always ran the underage side of things, that's their remit and as you say there has been a complete dereliction of duties when it comes to how they have acted. You're probably right it is too simplictic and a bit harsh to blame just one man and everyone involved, including the clubs who allowed them to go on without having meetings to hold them accountable, all need to have a look in the mirror. We completely tok the eye off the ball at unerage and haven't altered our systems to go with the new seaon layouts. I genuinely have no idea why Mick Fennelly left the role, I've heard some people say for reasons as you detailed, other who have said that he was leaving to spend more time on different ventures he has going. A lot of people talk of penny pinching however but in the last 2 years they've spent a net of over €300k, after grants and fundraising income, on coaching and development you'd have to say that is not an insignificant amount.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 597 ✭✭✭jamesbond2022


    I’m not sure what the figures are going back 10 years are

    Yes 300k this year next year last year is great but when other counties are spending that amount and more over an 8-10 year period that’s where the issue is and why we’re so behind I’m guessing like everything else were late to the party and playing catch up in every aspect in comparison

    Were a small county and you can argue our spend will always be lower than other counties who are bigger in population and geographically but if we’re the super power in hurling everyone says we are and hurling is everything to people the investment should have been made to keep the show on the road and keep us mixing it at the top table not the slow steady decline we seem to be experiencing right now



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 310 ✭✭King Power Fox


    What is Kilkenny's longest time without an All Ireland? Tipp went from 71 to 87 and now Cork are 20 years, Galway, Limerick, Clare, Wexford and yere neighbours in Waterford can go decades without landing the big one. If anything the new format now following on from the back door change in 97 should favour the heavyweights, especially Cork and Tipp who have the advantage of numbers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,355 ✭✭✭Martin567


    Tipperary went from 1971 to 1989 - 18 years.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,691 ✭✭✭Marrooned


    out longest famine was from 1947-1957 and we have now broken that record, the minor famine is probably at the highest now with nearly a twelve year gap.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,691 ✭✭✭Marrooned


    we had two ten year barren spells at minor level and we have also beaten that record of late with 11 going on 12 this year.So I’m just wondering is there even alarm bells ringing in the ears of the CB high command or even the county board reps who can ask the hard questions but I’m afraid to say they don’t seem to be doing that. Now I know it’s hard to get answers but this will have to happen soon or the whole thing is fucked.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 357 ✭✭KK36


    It's a general apathy that's widespread. Look at how hard it is to get people to take on jobs in clubs. Players now will take it or leave it. Players not taking up an invite to join a county panel used to be unheard of. It's no wonder we're left with the rabble we have at the top in our county. They are literally the only people who will do it. When is the last time there was a contest for a position?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 453 ✭✭Nedflanders02


    Sorry I'm not saying that spending on coaching and games has been grand the last 10-15 years, I was specifically talking about the previous poster saying Mick Fennelly walked away because of penny pinching when I thought spending, roughly, €150k-€200k a year on coaching and games wasn't exactly penny pinching.

    I'd agree with you, our population and geographical size should make it easier for us to identify the most talented players at a young age but also at the same time being able to still to find players who develo at a later stage. Since we last won the minor AI in 2014 we have got to loads of inals but have been blown away, usually by Galway, in nearly all of them. The common narrative after these games was that physically and from an S&C stand point we weren't able to compete and needed to change. Personally, the main change I saw is that we started to pick bigger stronger players who were able to compete better but who's skils levels wouldn't have been at the same level as previous years. It's intresting looking at the review that was undertaken into the Mick Dempsey report. A lot of the problem's they sem to have are coaches and clubs not buying into the new way they want to go about things. The main problem I'd have with that is that if they have coaches in the squads who aren't willing to go with the new procedures and systems why are they still keeping them invloved, surely it would be a perfect chance to get rid of some of the deadwood that has been hanging around in there!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 284 ✭✭hogans heroes


    For me the people coaching and running the teams is more important than money .Facilities gear and phsios etc are important. But all the successful teams have driven.leaders at the top.Cody Kiely Sheedy etc.passionate driven people anx reflected by their teams.Same af underage get the driven people in rather than fluffy coaches



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 453 ✭✭Nedflanders02


    I'd agree but I think what we really lack is a real innovative coach, all we seem to be doing is trying to copy and paste what other teams are doing but I think what we really need are innovative coaches who are putting a better stamp on a game plan that more naturally suits our style of play.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,134 ✭✭✭conor05


    I can’t really blame young lads turning down an invite, especially if they have a fair idea they are going to warming the bench for the whole year.

    The world is a different place now, if you’re number 21 to 26 on a panel you’re expected to still live like a monk from November to July and all the sacrifices that go with that. That was grand years ago but young people are not willing to sacrifice other areas of their lives anymore, especially if they don’t see success forthcoming.

    Rightly or wrongly that is how young modern adults think.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86 ✭✭lob it in


    The biggest problem with Kilkenny playing this running short passing game is the players are just not used to it ,there's no club in Kilkenny who play that type of game, its all very direct and very physical in the club championship here in Kilkenny which makes for very exciting games ,but then players are brought into the county set up and told right we're playing like this and there just not used to it ,its alien to them.

    You have to be able to mix it up now by going direct and playing this possession game as well and knowing when to do it .we are a bit behind in this aspect of the game.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,458 ✭✭✭✭Realt Dearg Sec


    I think we're going to beat Tipperary.



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