US/Israel conduct airstrikes on Iran again

Everything that is happening shows why we need to adopt renewable energy faster. Otherwise we are dependent on mostly unstable, undemocratic and chaotic regions.

But yet again your are lumping everyone into the same “west” basket (aside are you not in the west yourself?) with no nuance

Take Azerbaijan, whom one can’t say are in “west” with a straight face

Iran bombed Azerbaijan repeatedly in the last week, a country that;

• has no US bases or permits them access, if anything Trump made a deal with their enemy in Armenia 
• Is Muslim Shia majority like Iran 
• Has a large Azeri population like Iran (which has more for Soviet reasons)
• President gave condolences and his hometown got attacked
• Spent decades laundering money for IRGC
• Helped mediate conflicts involving Iran to avoid regional disruptions
• Wanted no part in this war yet got attacked like dozen+ other countries 

It’s quite obvious that neutrality means nothing anymore and the very same people on the far left whom harp on about Irish neutrality and how we {and our neighbours} shouldn’t spend anything on defence

are now busy clapping the likes of Iran pooping all over concepts like rule of law and neutrality (and before you go but whataboutery US, they are in wrong too for starting this illegal war, two wrongs don’t make a right)

Maybe, but the cost will be astronomically which will have to be factored in to the wholesale price.

Also people who are working on this ships, are not military personal. They have not signed up to be blown out of the water.

No. I won't be saying that at all.

If Irish troops are in the middle east, then they are at risk, and in the firing zone from whatever country wants to get involved.

An Irish plane flying over Azerbaijan in the narrow corridor between Russia and Iran gets shot down, just like MH17 was, with loads of Irish people on way to far east

Our fault too?

Like I pointed out this self hating anti neutrality position is a slippery slope

You're bringing in all kinds of examples here. If Irish people/troops want to be in the middle east during this conflict, and the conflict widens and escalates, then that is their choice; there are risks associated with this.

No use crying and blaming the 'bad' Iranians (who are under attack) for deaths here. It's not you or me or Ireland having our country attacked and bombed daily by foreign countries.

Earlier in thread you had posters blaming and giving out about those fellow citizens who when this war broke out were in Middle Eastern countries {that are neutral but ended up being attacked anyways} and called all sorts of fairly nasty names and the government criticised for repatriation flights

Well Chris Murphy, we all knew how incoherent and incomplete these…ahem…"war plans" were already. We didn't need to attend any meetings.

That would be pity then MM would be in the WH on paddies day before the conflict ends. Can see Trumps mood sour in advance of his climb down.

War, what is it good for ? It's good for business.

This sea mining angle feels like a complete off ramp build up. Destroy a few Iranian navy ships, call them all mine layers when in reality mines can launched from shore and hauled into position by an average tug boat or fishing trawler.

Plus mines are not required to close the straight, it's just that they build an image in the mind of US voters of an object that their Navy can destroy. So essentially an imaginary spectre that they can claim to have neutralised so they can say a line has been drawn.

However it entirely depends on Iran playing along. Bombing Hanoi to the talks table didn't stop Saigon falling.

Problem is after twice negotiating with this administration and twice being attacked during them, who could trust both of the zionist regimes to act in good faith. Especially with the constant lies being spewed.

Same thing will just happen again.

Add to that the JCPOA treaty which some buffoon tore up and walked away from.

I was working in France the year of the Heysel Stadium riot, and although I let people know that I was Irish and not English, some didn't quite get it. One colleague in particular, who after the riot would greet me amiably as " 'ooligans!". I didn't take offence because I knew it was slagging, French-style.