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US/Israel conduct airstrikes on Iran again

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,214 ✭✭✭wildgreen


    The reality of life for Palestinians in occupied Palestine is what everybody needs to know and keep in mind. The barbaric cruelty of the Israeli regime. The theft of land, homes, wealth. The starvation of Palestinians. The destruction of their livelihoods. The checkpoint terrorism. The deliberate murder of civilians and extended families. The bombing of incubators. The torture, rape, and murder of detainees without trial followed by a refusal to release the corpses to their families. It is wrong to coat that reality with sugar when the genocidal, ethnic-cleansing, sadistic behaviour of Israel needs to be on the stage under the spotlights.

    Essentially all Palestinians are treated as prisoners in their own homes and country.

    There are many books, documentaries, and movies that show what Israel has done since the 1940s. The complicity of the West in supporting that terrorism is equally bad. Israel intends to expand their terrorism throughout the Middle East. They want a situation like in Lebanon where they can bomb anyone and anywhere at any time including Iran. There is no humanity in Israel’s behaviour. It needs to be called out not wrapped in candy paper. A quick glance at Israel’s treatment of Gaza in the last two years would show you how inhumane a country it is.

    A genocide has perpetrators and victims. The Nazi and Israeli genocides were particularly brutal. The deliberateness of the Nazis building concentration camps and gas chambers and sending Jewish people to their deaths was horrific. The media visibility and drawn-out nature of the Israeli genocide is as horrific. Trying to herd over a million Gazans to the Egyptian border for an ethnic-cleansing stampede with an alternative of we will vaporise you while you are sleeping with your grandchildren and grandparents. The Nakba ethnic-cleansing of 1948 was being replayed all over again in the expectation that western media and governments would again avert their eyes. Hidden behind some of the Israeli behaviour is blackmail of western leaders - this was obviously part of a long-thought out strategy by Israel.

    If the West wants people in Iran to overthrow a tyrannical regime, why shouldn't they demand the same from people in Israel?

    Post edited by wildgreen on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,282 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    well, you are one of the much more logic-based and balanced based posters when discussing these conflicts that Israel are involved in.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,216 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    A few minutes ago you were saying that every post is 100% slating "evil" Israel. Make up your mind.

    If these threads were a Cheltenham horse race, you would want to ride every single horse in the race to ensure victory but you would inevitably fall at a fence.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,438 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Forty years of talking about Iran having a nuclear weapons and they have had one all along, just by being able to shut down the flow of 35% the worlds fertilizer production, 20% of oil and 20% of LNG in a couple of days. Bombing apartment buildings and killing leaders is not going to change that.

    The amazing thing is everyone knew this could happen and now they panic and don't know what to do.

    The old world is dying, and the new world struggles to be born: now is the time of monsters. — Antonio Gramsci



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,216 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Who is he and what did he share? I only see 1/.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,671 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    The amazing thing is everyone knew this could happen and now they panic and don't know what to do.

    Not really that it could happen, The Iranians have said for years exactly what would happen.

    The problem now is, The Iranians do not have to let up and if commentary coming out of Iran is to believed, they won't.

    With it being an election year in America, the quite obvious thing for the Iranians to do is to continue this, front load the pain so lessons are learned against future attacks.

    This attack was an own goal of epic proportions which will have ramifications for decades.

    But to your original point, all this was known.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 795 ✭✭✭JohnDoe2025


    What figure do you believe?

    How many Iranians were killed by their own regime, and how does that compare to previous such atrocities?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,438 ✭✭✭brickster69


    You need to scroll down to see the whole post. He is a senator from Connecticut who attended a two hour hearing yesterday behind closed doors on how things are going

    The old world is dying, and the new world struggles to be born: now is the time of monsters. — Antonio Gramsci



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,216 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    I can't scroll. Please note I don't have a Twitter account.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,282 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Yes, every post from "some" posters…..not dmconda….very easy to understand when you read properly.

    Post edited by walshb on


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,213 ✭✭✭✭ArmaniJeanss




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 988 ✭✭✭vswr


    I don't know of off ramps.... the flow of aircraft and kit into the UK suggests the opposite..

    First bomber ops from Fairford was last night.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,216 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 978 ✭✭✭batman75


    Any figure given for those who died in Iran in the January protests that come from Western media can be disregarded and treated as bull poop. The Zionists on this thread are only to eager to latch onto these reports to confirm their belief that the 'regime' in Iran is evil.

    Their is a truly evil 'regime' in the middle east and it's Israel. It is a terrorist state and the quicker it is dismantled and the land returned to the Palestinian people and those Jews willing to disavow Zionism the better. Israel has tortured and tormented the Palestinian people since 1948. Gaza being the latest in a long line of human rights catastrophies wrought on Palestine by the Jews. I say Jews as Israel is made of up Jews and Arabs.

    Iran is winning this war as judged by the US/Israel not achieving it's aim of regime change so far and nor will they. Iran is now in an incredible position of strength and can set the terms for the cessation of violence. Whatever misgivings the Iranian people might have around their government they are rallying around to defend their homeland. Trump is making George W look like an intellectual giant.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,085 ✭✭✭Rocket_GD


    How many times does it need to be said?

    No one can confirm the total number of deaths, as of yet.

    That does not mean that people believe the Iranian figure of 3,000. It also means that 30, 33 or 36k figure is not yet a fact, no matter how often it is repeated.

    We will have to wait and see what independent investigations come out with in time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,438 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Sounds like the plan is / was to destroy Iran's ability to defend itself or attack others, which it had previously only done once in the past two centuries and that was last year when Israel attacked them. Oh, and the time before that after Israel blew it's embassy up in Syria, but that was just a day thing.

    The old world is dying, and the new world struggles to be born: now is the time of monsters. — Antonio Gramsci



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,653 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    Pretty sure most posters align with their perspective on this tbh. Outside of maybe 1/2 posters, the vast majority recognise that the Iranian regime engage in countless human rights abuses. This doesn't excuse the Israeli state(or US for that matter) to engage in warfare that enters into the realm of criminal.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,282 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    America and the west sticking our snouts into the affairs of the middle east for decades has always been the real issue. Leave these countries alone to sort their issues and differences. This current attack sorts nothing. It only makes the world even more dangerous



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 924 ✭✭✭bored65


    Agree, however plenty of countries in Middle East and “west” publicly and very loudly distanced themselves from Trump’s war

    … and still got attacked by Iran

    They wanted nothing to do with this war and do what you were saying (leave Iran alone) and their neutrality and non alignment got trampled on

    Post edited by bored65 on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,282 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Yes, but Iran (and rightly so) will see any country here as a part of it; just because they are not firing at Iran doesn't mean Iran will think them off limits…..guilt by association….have to remember, Iran is being blasted…..if Iran feel countries in areas with bases aligned to the West/U.S. and Israel, then they are fair game!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 795 ✭✭✭JohnDoe2025


    It seems that there are double standards at play here.

    We don't have independent confirmed numbers about Russia/Ukraine or Israel/Gaza, yet those numbers are confidently repeated, and people repeat the numbers they believe in. Nobody has gone and counted out the bodies buried in those conflicts, there are only varying estimates.

    Therefore, I see no problem with people confidently repeating the number that they believed were murdered by the Iranian government.

    I will stick to the 30,000 as two different sources have settled around that number.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,085 ✭✭✭Rocket_GD




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,677 ✭✭✭Cyclingtourist


    America must be winning, it's dropping more bombs. Worked before didn't it?

    Well didn't it?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 924 ✭✭✭bored65


    Guilt by association is a slippery slope, no?

    Before you know it Israel can use to justify their genocide in Gaza and Russia use it to justify their Three Day War

    Putting aside that it rips up international order and laws, something that we who live in a neutral country with no military very much need, at this rate Iran can carry out terror attacks here and there be people cheering for it saying “sure guilt by association, shouldn’t have let em Americans do business here”



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 54,659 CMod ✭✭✭✭Retr0gamer


    The thing about a lot of fat right useful idiots is they don't consider themselves far right but will spout far right nonsense because they're a bit thick.

    They also like to twist people's arguments to suit their own agenda, like your misinterpretation of people's arguments that the countries being bombed deserve it and more that you are making them out to be neutral countries with no involvement in the war while the places in said countries being bombed have US bombers flying out of them and/or are supplying the US war machine. That's not being neutral.

    Nobody is saying they deserve it but if you have allowed military targets in your country you should also be aware of the risk to them if the nation you are hosting becomes an aggressor. And if you are helping one side or the other in a conflict you aren't neutral. They goes against the very definition of neutrality. Look it up. It means taking no sides, not allowing one side supply routes and bomber access.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 924 ✭✭✭bored65


    Thanks for proving my point that it only a matter of time before more innocent people are murdered in neutral countries and some will just clap along saying it’s deserved



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,282 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Yes, it is slippery. It's life. Part of the human condition. And it's why the west sticking our snouts in (whether physically or with words and opinions etc) can be dangerous.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,677 ✭✭✭Cyclingtourist


    Last week the U.S. was telling us they'd wiped out all of Iran's naval assets and today they're telling everyone they just destroyed 12 Iranian mine laying ships. We're they lying last week, this week or will they be still lying next week?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,085 ✭✭✭Rocket_GD


    Lying last year, last week, this week and no doubt they'll be lying next week.

    They're led by an incompetent president and a bunch of innate lap dogs.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,737 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    Do you not realise that all the countries in the world are interlinked geopolitically? Even “neutral” Ireland plays its part. Neutral Switzerland is basically the world bank in all but name. And is never attacked because it has the most robust defences in the world. Using their natural topography.

    As for the Middle East. There is a complex mix of geopolitical alliances and foes. I view it like tight hip flexor muscles if one flares up all the others feel referred pain. They are well used to it unfortunately.

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



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