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Liverpool FC Premier League Champions 25/26 - Talk /Gossip/Rumours

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,396 ✭✭✭jesuisjuste


    That's quite the list alright, when you put them all together like that it's somewhat shocking really how far the standards have dropped. Personally I wouldn't have a strong opinion on keeping anyone on there with the exception of maybe Robertson as backup, and in particular for the dressing room if we can convince him to stay. I'd also consider Gomez for old times sake 😀, and I think Alisson is still very solid when uninjured and has at least one more season in him, but sooner or later Mamar looks like he could earn his spot ahead of him.

    Most of the rest just haven't performed well enough and although I'd be very disappointed, I guess I'd be ok with letting them go. Jones I think started the season well but fizzled out, perhaps he could step up again by the end, it would be nice to have a home grown player stick around, but he just feels like he's regressing really.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,883 ✭✭✭✭8-10


    I like Jones and I'd absolutely want to keep Alisson and Gomez

    But the list is more to show how much work there still is to do this summer.

    Regardless of who the manager is, we'll be going into another season with 4 or 5 new signings at least - and hopefully a new Szoboszlai contract



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,156 ✭✭✭✭citytillidie


    School boys would play better in defence than that team tonight

    ******



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,396 ✭✭✭jesuisjuste


    I think Macallister is the most out of sorts midfielder and I just don't know if he can get back to form, I really feel with Wirtz, Szobo and Grav that our midfield will be a powerhouse once they fully click, and I would consider adding a world class defensive midfielder to that group to round it out. We were looking at caicedo a few years ago, and I still think he would have been class for us. However we're not going to be able to spend 100M+ on someone, maybe 40 M or so, and maybe get that back from a Mac sale.

    Up front I think Eketike and Isak will be strong, and maybe get a back up, but perhaps someone around that 50M mark would round it out with Rio being the rotation, he should be able to play significantly more next year.

    For defence we look like we're just waiting for the players to step up, and grow up. Leoni, Jaquet, Bradley and Kerkez are all 22 or under. VVD will be ok for another season, but we're really crying out for a solid, late 20s style world class defender imo to chaperone the next phase. VVD will be ok as a second, but not the primary any longer, and Konate is definitely not it. I'm not sure what we can do here if anything, but defence has been very weak this year.

    Maybe with all of the above a net spend of sub-100 M would be enough, to strengthen where needed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 36,136 ✭✭✭✭~Rebel~


    I'm still inclined to give Mac the benefit of the doubt…he's been so brilliant for us, and still only 27. It's worth remembering that Xabi had a mare of a season the year before he then had an absolute stormer - now, he wasn't quite as poor as Mac has been this year, but not far off, and there were plenty of comments here back then about letting him go. I think Mac has it in him to come back.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,681 ✭✭✭A2LUE42


    Does the Premier League concussion protocol apply to the two Spurs players to make them unavailable for the weekend?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,883 ✭✭✭✭8-10


    If they are actually concussed then yes, it applies and they can't play

    But doctor would have to make that assessment first



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,364 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    Still think we'll go through. Galatasaray away is almost impossible, few ever manage a win there. 1-0 is a great result.

    They have one win away from home in Europe since 2023,



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,218 ✭✭✭✭Osmosis Jones


    Our record isn't so hot either

    Since winning the CL in 18/19 we've played 8 CL knockout games at Anfield.....and won only 2.

    Edit: Sorry we've won 1 from 7 at Anfield. The other "home" game we won in that time was on neutral ground vs Leipzig in 2021.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,600 ✭✭✭IncognitoMan


    OK….

    Which team do you expect will have MORE players from their current squad in their squad the next time they challenge for a major trophy?

    No "ifs", no "buts". Just answer the question honestly.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,611 ✭✭✭Girly Gal




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,600 ✭✭✭IncognitoMan


    There's a little bit of throwing the baby out with the bath water here I think.

    A good few of those are more than capable of being very good squad options still.

    A lot of Liverpool's problems are manager related I feel. He's definitely not getting the best out of what's available to him each week.

    The team that goes out and the performance that follows doesn't add up.

    He hasn't found an effective way to get your best attacking players playing in a way that works together either. This far into the season and with the talent at his disposal that really is poor.

    I think ye will still turn it around at home against Gala though and that will keep things ticking over for another while



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,218 ✭✭✭✭Osmosis Jones


    The poor man management continues imo, Jones and Rio were two of the best players on the pitch against Wolves, our midfield and wings were stinking the place up last night….neither one of them gets a single minute.

    We even finished the game with 2 unused subs.

    I'm not saying they're the perfect solution or that things would've gone any differently had they come on, but there is a consistent pattern of players putting in good performances and not being rewarded for them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,453 ✭✭✭jones


    Genuine question does anyone think Slot is doing a good job this season? I feel most of the good results (small sample size) we've gotten have been down to individual moments rather than any cohesive plan. I've now completely lost all faith in Slot - some of the issues were outside his control (Jota) signing Hugo and Isaak and not getting a CB/RB which i presume was Richard Hughes etc rather than him but everything else has just been….dour. His man management/tactics/use of the squad has been horrendous IMO and that's on him. The perfect storm of mediocrity.

    We're playing terrible football, we're soft, lack speed, incision & cohesion and it looks like the players are all just winging it at the moment. I do think we'll most likely beat Galatasaray in the second leg by enough to go through but its no gimme and i cant see us getting much further in the CL even if we do get past Gala.

    The longer this season goes on the more it looks like Slot tapped into the dying embers of Klopp's team and rejigged it slightly (which he admitted last season) combined with a lot of help from rivals having an off season. Even with the uptick in results since the new year we're just not a good team. Its insane we're the resigning league champions when you see how rudderless we are.

    The trend is very much downwards for me and i think Slot should go in the summer and yet another rebuild begins…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 210 ✭✭DRedSky


    yes absolutely we know for certain he’s a world class player. Trouble is we have a lengthy list of extremely talented players who are all playing way below their potential this season. Mac maybe stands out more than some because of how magnificent he was last season.

    Definitely wouldn’t be writing him off nor selling him. He’s only one of a large number of players who have all just regressed this season to varying degrees, so I wouldn’t be selling the players, I’d be looking at the common denominator instead.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,329 ✭✭✭✭SlickRic


    i can't be at peace with the lack of structure and intensity we're seeing.

    there was one moment last night which made me lose my shít. we won the ball back in the middle of the pitch. 4 of our players around the ball. And instead of springing into attack - a couple of them lethargically tapped it back and forth with each other, recycled, and then we tried another one of those hopeful long balls.

    no ideas, no structure, no willingness to run ahead with the ball in any sort of cohesive manner. they just sort of stood there looking a bit bewildered and idealess.

    i can't look at it and not think Slot is the main problem. i don't think he inspires. i think he says stupid things. i think that he believes he's getting as much out of them as possible. he doesn't seem to think we're doing much wrong structurally, and any criticisms are leveled at the players not doing things well enough - he even said last night that our players get to the box and think they'll get plenty of chances, and so don't worry as much if they miss. he's moaned before that we seem to let in goals easily.

    he kinda has to get to the end of the season now. but i've fallen out of love with the team. i don't recognise them. i don't have any connection with how the team plays football. Szoboszlai even annoys me - he's so slow in this system, so passive, no driving runs past the player with the ball etc etc - and he's objectively been great! but watching him play is symptomatic of what we are as a team. passive, and hope for Szobo bolt from the blue, or a set piece, or a mistake from the opposition, rather than overtly force anything.

    pointless ranting, apologies.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,218 ✭✭✭✭Osmosis Jones


    We're taking the structure of football formations to strange new places

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,396 ✭✭✭jesuisjuste


    I think he was certainly dealt a few bad hands this season, and there are some reasons to give him grace, especially having won the title last season. I think the key for me is that the team is clearly not inspired by him. If I could put my feeling in a nutshell it's this:

    I'm not sure whether there many other managers who would have been able to turn this team around this season and get us clicking, however I do think that there are some who would have done so. It takes a world class manager to be able to refocus a team mid-season and kick into gear, Ferguson, Mourinho at his peak, Klopp, Ancellotti, Zidane perhaps. I think that type of manager could roll with the punches and get the best out of the team.

    Slot may be a good manager, but he is not at their level. I don't know if there is anyone out there available now, and I don't know if Alonso is it either, but this is the type of world class caliber manager that Liverpool fans should expect for the team.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,025 ✭✭✭Bacchus


    I get the point 8-10 is making that we've a lot of players who would be (or are) starters who feel like they will be phased out but I think a good few there NEED to stay. Depth in the squad has been a massive issue. It's great signing world class players but they can't play every game. I'd be very dissapointed to be losing any of Konate, Jones, Mac, Gakpo and Gomez. Would love to get Elliott back too. Alisson should be going nowhere at least for another season or two, but needs better rotation. Those 7 players there are a good bench to rely on if you want to look at it in those terms.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,611 ✭✭✭Girly Gal


    A big week for Slot coming up, fail to beat Spurs ( who are in total disarray) and or Gala could spell the end of Slot over the international break. That might sound unlikely, but, if Gala knock us out and we can't beat Spurs in their current form, CL next season will be virtually gone, so what would be the point in keeping Slot if that happens. The only thing that would be left is the FA cup and with City waiting for us after the international break, that doesn't look too promising either.

    One of the points people keep bringing up about keeping Slot is that he won the league last season so he should be given the chance again next season, yet, the same people who advocate this, slate some of the players who won the league last season ( Salah, Jones, Mac, Gapko, Konate), yet Slot has been as bad or worse than any player and it's probably much easier for a player's form to turn around if managed properly than a manager turning things around when he keeps making the same mistakes over and over again- picking out of form players, not using his whole squad, not rewarding good performances by fringe players, no real plan or structure to our play etc. We have made zero progress since the start of the season, so, can't see how he's going to suddenly make progress in the last few games of the season or next season if he stays on.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78 ✭✭Dublin_Anthony_2025


    i have no words , not sure what the solution is tbh

    Alonso could be the same or worse , who else is there who could slap these players in the right direction

    all people saying slot out etc or needs xyz to get a new contract , has anybody thought that he may not want to extend his time due to this **** show ?

    i'd personally be trying to get Klopp back with Gaurdiola id say leaving at end of season might be good for him to win more titles , promise him the war chest that slot had , you might see him at least thinking of it



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,191 ✭✭✭dogbert27


    I'm in the give him until the end of the season group but I don't believe he will be able to change his philosophy for next season so he needs to be replaced. I'm also not that impressed by the back room team he has around him.

    I do wonder what was it he sold to Wirtz and his father to get them to sign for Liverpool instead of City and Bayern.

    Slot would need to be the first change in the summer before any player gets released / sold so that the new manager can assess them.

    Elliott for example would have been a decent replacement for Mo on the right hand side getting crosses in to Ekitike but Slot wouldn't consider him. It was madness not to renegotiate his loan deal in January and bring him back.

    I think we will be good to get a win against Gala at home and beat Spurs to relieve some of this negativity but I'm afraid of drawing Bayern in the QF as what they did to Atalanta last night they could easily do to us.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,329 ✭✭✭✭SlickRic


    recruitment also has not helped.

    while we spent all that money, we replaced Nunez and Diaz - who weren't perfect in the slightest, and certainly in the case of Nunez, as frustrating a player in front of goal as ever - with essentially Gakpo as a starter at LW, and Ekitike (whose not a pest in the same way Nunez is). Plus Salah's ability to be a pest is gone.

    so we've replaced rabid intensity with far more passivity.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,611 ✭✭✭Girly Gal


    It's Chelsea or PSG in the QF if we get there!



  • Administrators Posts: 56,306 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    I think this season is a massive stain on Slot's copy book, to the point where if he leaves now I don't think he gets a job a club the same stature as Liverpool.

    I'd be very surprised if he rejected a contract extension, for one thing he won't get more money elsewhere, but also I think he'd want to try salvage his reputation by proving himself not to be a flash in the pan.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78 ✭✭Dublin_Anthony_2025


    i mean i get he won the league with klopps players last year

    biggest issue was letting key players go , Diaz ( apparently wanted to stay but we wouldnt pay him ) and now we stuck with Slots love child Gakpo

    Nunez for all his faults tore defences apart and created havoc and also defended well

    Salah is done and is pure muck

    too much has changed and not clicking into gear yet and may never click

    Diaz would have lifted us aswell as nunez , Jota's passing id say has some affect



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,191 ✭✭✭dogbert27


    Thanks, let's see how it goes tonight. If PSG can play like last season I'll be afraid of them too!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,329 ✭✭✭✭SlickRic


    I know I'm alone here, but I don't think, in ths right scenario, Salah is muck. He's not 400k a week standard at all, but he's not muck.

    He is at his best in broken play. When chaos is created, he thrives. Why do we think he loved Nunez? But Slot's passivity is the complete antithesis to that. Salah has never been a consistent 'get it on the wing, with a set defence, beat 2 or 3, and score' type of players. He's a ruthless, direct poacher who kills you in bursts.

    He can still be a version of that, but I think the team is utterly different in how it wants to play football to how it was a year ago.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,396 ✭✭✭jesuisjuste


    Premier league I would say you're probably right, but I think in the rest of Europe Slot's reputation is probably still holding up alright, especially since we've performed much better in the CL than the PL (last night aside).

    I don't think we will give him a contract extension, and he only has one season left, so if the right job came for him I wouldn't be surprised if he negotiated out/walked in Summer. He could probably get a 3 year contract at one of the other big 5 leagues. He won't get more money for next year, but overall it will be worth much more to him, and give him a possible redemption arc.



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