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The split season

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,599 ✭✭✭legendary.xix


    The GPA wanted the intercounty season confined to 30 weekends. Their wish was granted at GAA Congress 2026. These 30 weekends currently include 3 weekends in January that overlap with the All Ireland club championships, the 3 weekends that are used for the pre-league provincial competitions.

    If the pre-league provincial competitions were scrapped, these 3 weekends could be used to give the national league and inter county championships more breathing space.

    This can be workable for hurling that doesn't have league connected to championship. Football might want to loosen the link from league to championship so that county players are not under pressure to be rushed back for the national league after All Ireland club finals. A compromise option there could be using the league for seeding qualifiers - non provincial finalists playing for 7 league qualifier spots. Those failing to qualify entering the Tailteann Cup. The Tailteann Cup could be straight knockout as all would have played at least 1 provincial round and 1 qualifier round.

    The national leagues could start at the beginning of January, in parallel with the All Ireland club championships. By my back of a pack of cigarettes calculations - the national league would never have more than 2 consecutive weekends. Championship games would be every second weekend. The only exception being football rounds 2A & 2B, 3 and quarter finals where the reward of winning round 2A is the weekend off before the quarter finals.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,109 ✭✭✭Krazy gang


    I agree with some of your points about the split season like club championships being played in summer conditions. Its great to go to a match in short sleeves with the sun on your back.

    However I disagree about player welfare for inter County players. Inter County players are playing more matches now in a shorter season as well as some playing third level parallell. Add in the huge amount of training sessions, games pretty much weekly on heavy pitches, and its clear inter County player's are being dogged altogether



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,897 ✭✭✭windy shepard henderson


    i dont but you have to realise these are the people that will desert the games whenever it suits , cork football is a perfect example , they struggle to gain a few thousand supporters nowadays , but could have filled croke park twice in 2010 when they beat down in the all ireland final

    what kept the game going when all them supporters deserted them



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 146 ✭✭Arseboxing


    Would you have rathered those Cork supporters didn't turn up and the attendance was 58,000 rather than 82,000?

    Would you rather Cork didn't attract 30k to a hurling league game recently?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,897 ✭✭✭windy shepard henderson


    no but my point is what happens when the supporters desert the team , they only wanted to follow a wining team rather then support the team every county has them you cant relay on such jekyll and hyde supporters alone ,

    currently thousands of clubs around the are struggling especially from rural depopulation if for example clubs start to die while all the focus is on the intercounty scene then in ten years time you have no inter county scene



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 146 ✭✭Arseboxing


    When a team is on the cusp of success people will want to follow them. Your problem is with human nature. Success for a team is likely to make children want to play. Heroes create the players of tomnorrow. That's a benefit to clubs.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,800 ✭✭✭joebloggs32


    Split season has to stay. The club month in April that was introduced was abused by most inter County managers and was the final nail in the coffin of the old way.

    The concerns of overload on the inter County players is genuine. I would limit the leagues to 7 teams max per division in in football like in hurling. It gives one free week for all squads to lighten the load.

    The removal of the preliminary 1/4 final round in hurling also helps giving another free weekend in the hurling calendar



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,897 ✭✭✭windy shepard henderson


    normally the kids are introduced to the club from early national school level , if they like the games they usually stay playing it up along if they dont they usually drop out before they reach their teens , by then clubs know what they have and dont have in terms of numbers and players coming through

    its not like kids watching katie taylor at 12 years of age and say i want to take up boxing , by the time they are 12 they will have their minds made up if they like the sport or not regardless of what they see on television



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 22,094 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    A friend was talking to an administrator of a club. Previous to the split season thr fielded one adult hurling team and two adult football teams. Now they are fielding two hurling teams and four football teams and expect to field another team in each within a couple of years. Players are able to commit as there is a defined club season. This has huge implications if its being reicated across the country. It was the reason lads played soccer ahead of GAA because the ganes were played in a set season

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,012 ✭✭✭robbiezero


    August, September is my favourite GAA period of the year now. As many hurling and football matches as I can watch from early Saturday and Sunday till late. Sometimes end up watching 4 or 5 games in a single day be it Tipp hurling championship, KK or Cork, Kerry football etc.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,196 ✭✭✭Dickie10


    yeah but what about poor joanne cantwell, des cahill and pat spillane and martin breheny that dont know who the clubs and players are in carlow senior football final or laois senior hurling final?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,897 ✭✭✭windy shepard henderson


    agree but its time the print media especially step up , the star used to be unreal for senior league soccer on a tuesday , if one or two of these newspapers done the same for the 8 weeks of the club championship it surely would boost sales in a big way

    instead we have people like roy curtis or whoever fawning over superstar hurlers or footballers and trying to compare them to ronaldo or usain bolt , if people find stuff like that interesting fine but they are very much in the minority



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,599 ✭✭✭legendary.xix


    The challenge for the national media really is to focus on a few county championships. I appreciate that will be contentious but they usually like to build a story.

    With Croke Park warning to restrict club streaming coverage if club games aren't available for RTE and TG4 - there might to be some cross county collaboration with broadcasters on how to have a fair balance of live terrestrial and club streaming coverage.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,109 ✭✭✭Krazy gang


    Split season is irrelevant to lads playing for their clubs 2nd, 3rd and 4th teams . These competitions proceed as usual through the spring and summer. In kilkenny anyway they start in April and finish up end of July before the knockout for senior, intermiate and junior start.

    Not like junior C' players are going to be getting a call up to a co senior panel!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,109 ✭✭✭Krazy gang


    You're obviously not as smart as you think. Des cahill is a member of cuala for many years and was involved with clubs in kerry and carlow when his work took him . Pat spillane always talks about his own club templenoe as well as other club championships across the country.

    Infuriating to hear keyboard warriors like you and the disrespect you have for people who have gave their whole life to the association. When you have achieved what pat spillane has achieved come back and spell it out.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,032 ✭✭✭Uncle Pierre


    In all fairness. Spillane knows so little about the club scene that his "solution" - which he put forth on more than one occasion - was that the split season operate such that it'd be inter-county football and club hurling for the first six months of the year, and then inter-county hurling and club football for the other six. And that the order of these things would be alternated each year.

    He either didn't see or disregarded the obvious issues. First is that things would actually end up running for 12 months straight, e.g.:

    • January 2026 - June 2026: Inter-county football & club hurling
    • July 2026 - December 2026: Inter-county hurling & club football
    • January 2027 - June 2027: Again, inter-county hurling & club football
    • July 2027 - December 2027: Inter-county football & club hurling
    • January 208 - June 2028: Again, inter-county football & club hurling

    But the biggest, most obvious one: what of the inter-county footballer who also plays hurling with his club, or the inter-county hurlers who also plays club football? How are they supposed to play both during the same six months????

    Wouldn't even occur to Spillane or anybody else from a club where they probably don't even have a hurl…..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,109 ✭✭✭Krazy gang




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,518 ✭✭✭Billy Ocean


    It's pretty simple, the arguments put forward by the likes of Paul Bellew in Galway against the August All Ireland finals was based on detail and research, to coin a modern phrase the argument for reverting to an August All Ireland final was based on vibes and the wrong one's at that. Paul Murphy on the hurling pod described it best last week, Donal Og keeps talking about the game needs room to breathe yet his solution involves strangling the club game even further.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,109 ✭✭✭Krazy gang


    What were bellews details and research? That they've more teams now than before the split season? How does know this is down to the split season? Is he guessing?

    Also worth noting that Paul bellew is not universally popular with the clubs in Galway. One former co hurlers was scathing of his decision to hold the Galway hurling final under lights on a Saturday night.

    As another poster said, tge season now is like a box ticking exercise. Get these games played this weekend, next set next weekend etc. Can't even make room for a replay, one of the great traditions of the gaa. No extra time it has to be. lads barely able to walk by the end of it lot of cases.

    If co boards and chairmen like Paul bellew had actually stood up to the inter-county manager in the first place and not let them walk all over them , we wouldn't be in this situation now



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,109 ✭✭✭Krazy gang


    I like Paul Murphy and have good time for him but saying the club season is stretched while referencing playing an all Ireland semi final 4 days before Xmas in the cold and rain is hardly the best advertisement for the split season!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,032 ✭✭✭Uncle Pierre


    Well, when you post something like this -

    When you have achieved what pat spillane has achieved come back and spell it out

    Surely you can see how you appear to be saying 'we should listen to what Spillane has to say'.

    But clearly, what Spillane has to say as regards a 'solution' is unworkable nonsense, and even you don't agree with him. Strange then that you hold him up in the first place as one who should be listened to.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,518 ✭✭✭Billy Ocean


    2 things, if there's August finals club players have even less chance of playing championship is decent weather in August and possibly September if we're lucky, secondly if players had the option of provincial final early December , AI semi just before Xmas and mid January final compared to the old way of Early December Provincial final, Mid February Semi final and mid March final I'm pretty sure which 1 they'd choose.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,109 ✭✭✭Krazy gang


    My post was in response to a sly sarcastic comment from another poster who seemed to imply that pat spillane or des cahill have no involvement with any gaa club , we anyone with a bit of knowledge would see that's clearly not the case. That simple really!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,109 ✭✭✭Krazy gang




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,518 ✭✭✭Billy Ocean


    Yes there was alot wrong, if you can't see the issue with a gap of around 10 weeks between a provincial final and All Ireland semi final then that speaks volumes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 876 ✭✭✭LeoD


    Don't know if many hurling people are concerned with climate change but at some point the GAA will have to acknowledge that our winters are getting wetter so the idea of playing hurling at any level in Jan and even some of Feb should be binned sooner rather than later. The inter county game is what drives interest in the sport and it's where all the great stories and legends of the game are created so it's madness that by the end of May, just as the summer is getting started, half of the top tier counties' season will be finished and won't be seen until they are rolled back out again next Jan in the muck and cold and rain.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,518 ✭✭✭Billy Ocean


    But club championships are the lifeblood of the GAA, intercounty is the cherry on the cake. I think that's a championship structure issue as much a calendar issue, agree regarding Jan and Feb there treading to even wetter months than Nov/ Dec.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 876 ✭✭✭LeoD


    They're both integral and it's the same with every other sport - the elite level drives the interest but the local level nurtures it. For an organisation so wedded to tradition I cannot understand how they've allowed what has defined our summer sport for a 100 years to be abandoned overnight.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,518 ✭✭✭Billy Ocean


    A bit dramatic there to say the least, if they've abandoned the sport I don't think Munster championship tickets would be so hard to get, Leinster championship issues are nothing to do with the calendar it's simply Galway, Wexford and Dublin have been relatively poor the last couple of years aside from Dublin shocking Limerick. As a said on another thread August is now probably the busiest month of the calendar in terms of participation.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,032 ✭✭✭Uncle Pierre


    With respect, the post you were replying to at that stage in no way implied that Spillane or Cahill have no involvement with a club. It simply said they don't know who the clubs and players are in Carlow Senior Football Final or Laois Senior Hurling Final.

    Bit of a stretch to interpret that as meaning they don't know anything about any GAA club at all, not even their own.



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