"No to war" & "breakdown of international law" - Spanish PM Sánchez

You don't see what negotiations could accomplish?

There is nobody left to negotiate with Iran.

Spain and the UK have put themselves in a compromising position with the US. If things heat up I’m not sure the Americans, even the next administration will be overly keen to help quickly. Refusing docking and access to airports during a conflict is “unreliable”.

We can make reasonable assumptions at this point. There's no indication that Iran will be remotely successful. The war isn't going in Trump's favour. I think you've just illustrated the long term need for energy independence. (We already learned this via Russia and the US are coming across as incredibly untrustworthy at this stage too) Oil dependency is necessary to drop btw, we're estimated to have around fifty years of readily accessible oil left.

In general in terms of trade, the US can't target individual EU states.(So wouldn't apply to the UK) We're a massive trade bloc and even under Trump, he's been forced to drastically rollback on trade wars. The reality is governments across the globe are critical of how the US is approaching things and that's including traditional allies.

Btw, your logic could be used to justify allowing the US to invade Greenland for example. That's an incredibly slippery slope in terms of what you think we should simply accept.

So, no regime change. The strait of Hormuz is disrupted for the foreseeable and the middle east is destabilised. Also historically such moves by the US has resulted in an increase in extremism. So the US have heated up the situation which will have a direct impact on all Western countries. So basically the US have created what has the potential to be a global disaster.

That's on the US and Israel in terms of the consequences for all of us. Declaring "they had it coming" is not a strategy.

The Iranians were not going to keep to themselves, they built their missiles to use them, the whole thing was inevitable. They are hardliners and lunatics. They were hell bent on wiping Israel out then they would be looking at their neighbours.

Maybe they should have stopped their government from funding international terrorist groups.

They appear to be focused on sound bites rather than a discussion.

So the only answer is to exterminate the entire population?

There are lots of groups that don't get on around the world. At least when negotiations are ongoing innocent civilians aren't getting killed.

This will ultimately come down to negotiating again, and the way things are going who do you think will have the upper hand in these negotiations?

An Iran who you literally cannot defeat and who knows know the chaos they can cause to their neighbours and the worlds economy with relatively rudimentary arms, or a US/Isreal alliance who will ultimately be forced by the rest of the world and there internal business interests to try and wrap this up?

You cannot try bomb a country and it's people into submission.

"You cannot try bomb a country and it's people into submission."

It worked with the Japanese didn't it?

"So the only answer is to exterminate the entire population?"

If two groups of people don't get along and refuse to get along then there is only two long term logical solutions

1. Agree never to interact with another
2. Remove one group of people - can't fight over differences if there are none.

Iran and Israel will never get along. By bombing half the populations into bits you have already created the next generation of Hamas. Same goes for the Iran bombing Israel - your future IDF extremists are the kids without parents now.