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The Weekend On One With Brendan O'Connor

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,838 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    The only one I can think of from memory is David Quinn. I see that Maria Steen, a bit of a hero for right thinking people was on 3 weeks ago.

    A thing which people may not have noticed. Every panel is two men and two women.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,588 ✭✭✭GSF




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,928 ✭✭✭kowloonkev


    I do agree with you that there has been a noticeable improvement recently in terms of having alternative views. Still quite a way from being balanced, but at least now it isn't completely insufferable garbage and I can generally make it to the end of the show without switching it off.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,546 ✭✭✭littlevillage


    Yeah, strangely she managed to sail on un-cancelled.... when people like George Hook were dumped unceremoniously for (in his case) speaking common sense.

    May be it depends on the institution you work for? or the gender/religion/minority you offend.

    Shame on the Irish Times.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,922 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    Quite a few of the people who wanted to save George were happy to throw Roisin overboard.

    As a long term IT subscriber I think they made the right call.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,748 ✭✭✭Bellbottoms


    Before I say anything about Hook. I need to make clear my stance on him. I think he was a poor interviewer who was compromised by commerical deal, dealt in contrarian hyperbole and should never have been hosting a current affairs show.

    I also don't agree with saying Hook was speaking common sense. It also didn't help that some questionable things he put into his started to get main stream attention. He deserved to be cancelled and so does Ingle. Both blamed engaged in victim blaming. But given the fact the Blackrock boys were children with no agency and the power imbalance involed. I think what Ingle said was worse then what Hook said.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,748 ✭✭✭Bellbottoms


    Really? Why is that? I haven't heard anyone make that argument. If you wouldn't mind expanding on it please.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 883 ✭✭✭iffandonlyif


    But you didn’t end up saying anything else about Hook! All you did was ‘make clear your stance on him’. Poor interviewer, maybe. Contrarian, certainly. But host of what was once the most popular programme on Newstalk. Many people appreciated what he had to offer.

    You haven’t provided any justification for his cancellation. All you’ve done is say you don’t agree it was common sense and stated that he deserved it. Well, I would argue the opposite on both. Whether or not what Hook said was reasonable, it fell very far short of the bar in a civilised society for ruining someone’s career and reputation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,922 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    I base it on my recollection of comments at the time on this and other sites/media outlets.

    Of course the same applies to Roisin supporters who were happy to see George walk the plank.

    Personally I wouldn't have sacked either of them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,748 ✭✭✭Bellbottoms


    So of I remember correctly he blamed a rape victim for getting raped. Which is an awful thing to do. Then when people went and re read his biography he has a throw away line about once you have drunk women near by. It is time to fill your boots.

    People argued that in his biography he was implying that sober men should take advantage of drunken women. Which is honestly a resoable arument.

    At that point he became toxic and advertisers didnt want to be associated with him. That is why he was dropped. Times moved on and Hook thought it was still ok to blame victims on what happened to them.

    That coupled with some of the stuff from his biography made him the story. He could have easily gotten out of it by apologising and saying "I appreciate that times have moved on and in hindsight I was wrong to say those things and to write those things. I apologise to anyone who has been hurt or offended". But he was too arrogant to do that and doubled down. Newstalk lost advertising. So they dropped him.

    Would you like to break down why you think what Hook said was resonable. Please be ensure the context and the other things that came to light from his biography. It wasn't one thing that got him canclled but a culmulation of things.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,748 ✭✭✭Bellbottoms


    Ok. So you think what Ingle wrote in the article was acceptable and might not have been ill judged or offensive to the victems.

    You don't owe me or anyone an explanation. But if you are saying what she wrote was acceptable. You need to go a little more indept.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 883 ✭✭✭iffandonlyif


    So of I remember correctly he blamed a rape victim for getting raped.

    Ah, so that’s where you went wrong - you don’t remember correctly. He was discussing the case of a woman who was raped when she went back to the house of someone she met at a bar. Hook, in very sympathetic tones, wondered why we don’t encourage young women to protect themselves. You can say that was an out-dated view to hold, but there was no suggestion of blame on her part.

    There was an apology:

    “I wish to apologise unreservedly for comments I made about rape on my radio programme on Newstalk yesterday. … I apologise for the comments which caused hurt and offence, and for this I am truly sorry”.

    The biography thing I’m not sure about, but much of your argument seems to rest on Newstalk being justified in cancelling him because of the backlash he received, without addressing whether the backlash itself was justified.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,748 ✭✭✭Bellbottoms


    I will need to go back and look at the whole story and re asses. I may be wrong. Unfortunatly it will be next week end at the earliest before I will have time to look.

    But I stand by what I have said about Ingle.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,922 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    You're getting a little bit ahead of yourself there.

    All I've said about Roisin in this thread is that I agree with the Irish Times and I wouldn't have sacked her.

    I wouldn't have sacked George either.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,433 ✭✭✭✭Brendan Bendar




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,928 ✭✭✭kowloonkev


    I liked George Hook. You can't expect to have interesting characters on entertainment shows and at the same time expect them not to say anything at all controversial.

    The man apologised. He was definitely wrong in the way he said what he said. But he apologised.

    That's why Brendan O'Connor is the way he is today. Because as a nation we're still not passed crucifying people for having wrong opinions.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,064 ✭✭✭yosser hughes


    Roisin Ingle didn't apologise, she obviously didn't feel the need to. That's real power



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,928 ✭✭✭kowloonkev


    Maybe George's weakness is people know who he is.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,599 ✭✭✭Brian Scan




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,922 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    Here's the full article.

    Róisín Ingle: Turns out Blackrock College was a world away from us Pill Hill girls – The Irish Times https://share.google/m94Zgmz7szeDQlicN



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,866 ✭✭✭✭dulpit




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,922 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    I just posted the article for the benefit of the other poster.

    I'm not looking for an apology.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,866 ✭✭✭✭dulpit


    But others said she should have apologised, I'm just not sure for what. And I don't remember the furore back when this column was published either.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,922 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    Yes, I know quite a few were complaining at the time and some are still upset.

    A few said she should have been sacked but I disagree with them.

    I'll leave it to them to put their own case if they want to.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,064 ✭✭✭yosser hughes


    If you can't see how she took a subject like the sexual abuse of boys in Blackrock and made it all about herself and more or less saying she had the last laugh, I don't know what to say to you. It shouldn't have made it past the editor.

    An abused child is an abused child- from 'privileged' families or not.

    There was plenty of online criticism at the time not that it matters. The utter narcissism and lack of empathy in the article and I'll repeat, making it all about herself, was astonishing.

    She wrote it as if she was still her teenage self getting her own back.Reverse snobbery at its most basic level.

    Also her faux offence at her school being called 'Pill Hill' was a bit precious as well. It was about the rhyming of the name as much as anything. There was plenty of nicknames given to schools back in the day by boys and girls and it wasn't the preserve of 'privileged' Blackrock boys. Either way it was just an incredibly inappropriate article.

    Some of the published letters

    https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/letters/2022/11/18/roisin-ingle-and-blackrock-college/

    https://www.thephoenix.ie/2022/11/roisin-ingles-rocky-take/

    Post edited by yosser hughes on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,922 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    Mark Little on the show today.

    Always an interesting guest.

    Mark Little - “Bro culture is infiltrating politics ...and now war” | Brendan O'Connor - RTÉ Radio 1 https://share.google/H5Z8vesZZGjk6IBKa



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,389 ✭✭✭✭thesandeman


    I didn't hear it but I'm guessing the next thing that happened was

    Brendan - "Well, Bro isn't here to defend himself like, but".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,434 ✭✭✭DoctorEdgeWild


    Possibly the MOST RTE piece of all time, Brendan talks to a Rose of Tralee about death and grief on Mother's Day.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,871 ✭✭✭touts


    We've had 20 minutes or more of some celeb (missed the name at the start but apparently she is a journalist who was the Kerry rose once years ago) talking about losing her mother last year and grief. To listen to her and Brendan you would think she was the first person to lose a parent since the famine. Seriously this is such self indulgence. Nothing unusual or interesting just the standard "poor me" shite.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,376 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    "If you were affected by anything on today's show......"



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