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Saorview Changes - 2026

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,031 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    There's also the issue of course that if too many people want to watch a particular program the network could collapse. This was much more visible in the early days of NowTV when Game of Thrones was the big thing

    My understanding is that the delay not universal and can be higher or lower depending on the broadband provider



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,527 ✭✭✭Glaceon


    This video explains it quite well. Simply put, low latency is possible but it can't be cached by CDNs so requires a colossal amount of bandwidth. But there are solutions in the works.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,650 ✭✭✭Rick_


    Remember also that the delay is only because we have an alternative source to compare it to. If IPTV was the only available option, you wouldn't be able to tell know how long the delay was and then it becomes a non-issue.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,527 ✭✭✭Glaceon


    I can’t remember if this was touched upon in the video above, has been a while since I watched it, but I’d imagine it could become an issue for live sports betting.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 75,476 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    The death of sports betting would be of a great benefit to the world, so no loss there then.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,039 ✭✭✭decor58


    At a DVB conference in Holland this week RTE announced they intend running a DVB-I trial starting in June and running until November



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,194 ✭✭✭Widescreen


    for the less technical, what will DVB-I do for Saorview? If it involves having to use broadband(and pay for it) elderly population won’t back it. Currently people over 70 get a free tv licence afaik and can also watch Irish channels fta via their aerial!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,493 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    Seamless hybrid delivery of Saorview via terrestrial and IP with access to additional services via IP. Additional services are allocated epg LCNs.

    There is no plan to switch off delivery via the aerial.

    Delivering Saorview via IP makes it available to those homes who can't or won't install an aerial.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,778 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    We're talking about RTE and seamless does not come to mind, can't even get a decent player to work on the web never mind full delivery of their channels



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,900 ✭✭✭Comhrá


    Would it deliver HD on the channels currently on SD? Thinking Sky News and Virgin.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,493 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    Yes, provided they are made available by their respective broadcasters.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 168 ✭✭Aidan McCarthy


    Well at least if dvb-i works it would be great but what about the elderly people if saorview gos. Then they will have no television at all. Saorview should stay on for elderly and people with disabilities too



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,493 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    Saorview remains, via aerial and IP.

    Saorview via aerial will be around for many years to come.

    When they eventually decide to switch off terrestrial Saorview it is possible it could be transmitted via the 5G/6G mobile frequencies.

    5G broadcast is being tested, for a few years now, and if I recall correctly the recent winter Olympics had a trial 5G broadcast service.

    It's likely when they decide to end terrestrial Saorview the 5G replacement may already be in place.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,443 ✭✭✭dublinman1990


    Did RTÉ give any details as to what type of DVB-I equipment would be used when going through this trial or who can avail of it?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 168 ✭✭Aidan McCarthy


    Here is the information about dvb-i.

    DVB World 2026 explores shift to IP and DVB-I rollout

    March 19, 2026 22.50 Europe/London By Jörn Krieger

    20260317-DVB-world-2026-by-MichielTon-day1-LR44-900x600.jpg

    DVB Chair Remo Vogel opened DVB World 2026 with a keynote on DVB in an IP-centric future (Picture: MichielTon.com)

    Broadcast and technology leaders gathered in Amsterdam on 17-18 March for DVB World 2026, where discussions focused on the shift from traditional broadcast to IP-based delivery, the rollout of DVB-I and the growing role of AI in media distribution.

    Opening the conference, DVB Chair Remo Vogel (rbb/ARD) outlined the organisation’s vision of enabling “a managed transition from classic broadcast to IP-centric media distribution, retaining an open ecosystem for devices and services”. He positioned DVB-I as a central component of this transition, describing it as the “glue for a hybrid world” connecting broadcast and broadband while avoiding market fragmentation and safeguarding universal access.

    Concrete progress on DVB-I deployment underlined its strategic importance. Freeview New Zealand confirmed plans for a nationwide rollout this year, while Germany’s DVB-I Round Table, bringing together public and commercial broadcasters, regulators and industry bodies, is targeting a market launch in September 2026. In Ireland, RTÉ’s Jim Higgins announced a DVB-I trial on the Saorview platform starting in June and running until November to gather operational insights.

    Beyond distribution, the conference – moderated by Eoghan O’Sullivan – highlighted a broader technological shift. In his keynote, EBU Director of Technology & Innovation Antonio Arcidiacono described the next phase of media evolution as a move “from transport to intelligence”, driven by network capabilities and AI-powered services at the edge. AI emerged as a consistent theme throughout the event, with speakers pointing to its integration into TV sets as a catalyst for new approaches to video compression and personalisation, enabling user data to be processed locally without leaving the device.

    From a user perspective, SVT’s Head of Innovation Adde Granberg argued that audience experience must take precedence over technical optimisation. He called for a shift from “one-to-many” broadcasting towards “many-to-meaningful” engagement, warning that traditional broadcast structures may not endure in their current form.

    Several sessions explored DVB-I’s role within an increasingly platform-driven ecosystem. Ralph Edeine (Eutelsat) said the standard would help maintain the visibility of satellite services in interface-led environments, while Salvatore Martino (Kineton) highlighted both the need for centralised aggregation and ongoing challenges around stream authenticity. Industry participants broadly agreed that “DVB-I works”, but noted that interoperability, regulatory alignment and metadata complexity require more preparation than expected.

    On the device side, Vincent Grivet (HbbTV Association) pointed to persistent fragmentation in the connected TV market, where broadcasters must support multiple “walled garden” platforms. He positioned HbbTV and DVB-I as complementary, with HbbTV unifying devices and DVB-I harmonising networks and content sources.

    Developer perspectives were also in focus. Hyunmin Jeon, winner of the DVB-I UI competition, presented an Android-based application built around DVB-I metadata and familiar streaming interfaces, announcing that the source code will be made publicly available. She emphasised the importance of metadata, describing it as essential for content discovery and user retention.

    Alongside DVB-I, the conference examined adjacent technologies. A session on 5G Broadcast with Qualcomm’s Thomas Stockhammer and Media Broadcast’s Markus Schneider highlighted ongoing challenges including unclear business models, limited device ecosystems and competition from unicast delivery. Potential use cases identified included live events, emergency alerting and CDN offload. Meanwhile, discussions on DVB Native IP (DVB-NIP) pointed to strong potential, particularly for bridging the digital divide, although further work is needed on DRM and addressable advertising.

    The second day followed DVB World’s established “unconference” format, with participants shaping an agenda of 18 sessions covering topics such as DVB-I service discovery at internet scale, AI agents, open-source tooling, accessibility and future codec development. A parallel “Learning Lab” introduced technical tutorials on areas including DVB-T2/5G Broadcast integration, DVB-I DRM and addressable advertising.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5 DuoLey


    Could Saorview use this for Sky Sports?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 75,476 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Sky could use it for Sky Sports, but they won't.

    Saorview do not have any control on the channels that go on, and never have.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,493 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    Of course, if Sky decide to offer it as a free channel over IP.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 168 ✭✭Aidan McCarthy


    I hope so



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,493 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    Jim Higgins on Pilot Phase 1 (closed user trial) back in 2025 … "a small technical trial, a pilot that effectively involves expert users, critical users who would give us feedback really on what this ought to be as a product."

    No further information from the DVB World conference.

    From German and Italian trials the equipment appears to branded Vestel equipment. Chinese manufacturer Strong displayed a DVB-I dongle at IBC2025 last September, maybe something like this might be used.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,452 ✭✭✭deezell


    Sounds like ITVx/Freely, which is not well received in the UK, in particular because the latter its not retrofittable to existing TVs, making them redundant in the short future. On latency, I watched the six nations on VM Play on an android TV in the lounge, for the HD, herself was in the 'TV' room watching something, but changed over to VM saorview to sort of watch it (pretends to not like rugby). What really annoyed me was she would deliberately cheer for every score, long before I would see it. Had to shut the door.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,493 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    Just like how analogue TVs were upgradeable with a DTT STB back in the day DTT TVs are upgradeable with a Freely STB.

    Viewing via Freely is on the increase and expected to overtake Freeview by 2030

    https://www.everyonetv.co.uk/news/press-release/freely-report-tv-users



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,508 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    In case anyone thinks it is "only in Ireland", we are not alone. 2034 is probably the earliest to worry about for terrestrial here. Before that there is a good chance that broadcasters will have abandoned satellite in favour of IPTV.

    https://cleanfeed.thetvroom.com/19741/news-2/terrestrial-tv-saved-from-2030-cliff-edge/



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