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Killaloe bypass, Shannon crossing & R494 Birdhill-Killaloe

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,329 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    Yes, that's pretty much what I hope will happen.

    In the meantime it's fingers crossed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,929 ✭✭✭dennyk


    Had time to check out the old bridge for the first time yesterday, and it was really nice. Quite a good crowd of folks walking and sitting and admiring the view, and the kids were getting a kick out of watching boats pass under the bridge. Popped across to the Wooden Spoon for the first time in a while and it really made the trip seem a lot easier and shorter than usual, being able to relax while walking across the bridge instead of constantly trying to dodge oncoming pedestrians without getting run over by cars. It also seems to have cut down the traffic on the R463 quite a bit, even more so than when the new bridge opened. It's also kind of funny to see people treating the Ballina roundabout as an actual roundabout instead of the usual total anarchy, now that they've repainted the road markings. Only thing I would say is that they really could use a pedestrian crossing on the R494 somewhere near the bridge, as there's often too much traffic to make it safe to cross, especially for folks with mobility issues. Overall, though, I'm definitely liking the pedestrianisation, and I hope they stick with it after the trial.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,437 ✭✭✭Deedsie


    If there is any sense at all they will stick with pedestrianisation. What a unique and attractive feature for a town to have to attract tourists to visit the old bridge could be. It will be a massive missed opportunity if "motorist concerns" trump all the obvious benefits.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 59 ✭✭gladerunner


    ya, feck them kids, am i right 😅

    The epic buffoonery surrounding this bridge has been so demoralising. We get the greatest bridge and town plans and yet a select few car owners think they can dictate to the community about what’s good for them.

    They haven’t even given the trial a chance before staging the most pathetic protest. This protest was communicated like if you were for or against you should attend. Thus indicating the foolishness of it in the first place.
    Plebiscite is a good name for it alright.

    Post edited by gladerunner on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,929 ✭✭✭dennyk


    FYI, if you have any feedback on the trial pedestrianisation and want to make a submission, be sure to email roads@clarecoco.ie and roadclosures@tipperarycoco.ie by this Friday (3rd October), with the subject line "Section 38 Trial Ballina-Killaloe bridge". Even though the trial itself goes through October 17th, they're only accepting submissions through the 3rd.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,296 ✭✭✭KrisW1001


    Reminder that this is for people who have actually used the scheme; opinions “on principle” are really unhelpful and waste everyone’s time, as they’re just ignored.

    But “feedback” also includes feedback that’s just “I think it’s grand”. Most feedback at these things is from people with a gripe, so positive reviews help balance that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 166 ✭✭BestWestern


    https://x.com/ClareFM/status/1978429826177396947?t=umfvuPsNJPDrdETjewwOQQ&s=19

    Killaloe Ballina Bridge To Be Permanently Pedestrianised



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,296 ✭✭✭KrisW1001


    Direct link for those who avoid the Shitter here: Killaloe Ballina Bridge To Be Permanently Pedestrianised - Clare FM



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,634 ✭✭✭Pete_Cavan


    Wow I'm amazed it is happening so fast! Great to see, hopefully they can move as quickly forward with a Part 8 to formally redesignate the reclaimed space with a public realm project either side of the bridge.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 170 ✭✭ch20


    Common sense prevails. Good news for the area.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,929 ✭✭✭dennyk


    Glad to see that most everyone is happy with it and that it will be going ahead straight away.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,599 ✭✭✭gjim


    Drove over and back the new bridge today and walked the old bridge. What an improvement to the town. Bridge St, Church st and Main St next for (trial) pedestrianization next please.


    Looking back over earlier discussion, I see the anti pedestrianization nuts have edited/deleted their comments Soviet-style 😄



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 234 ✭✭khamilton


    It's easy to dismiss pedestrianisation until you start to experience it, honestly.

    Anyone who has grown used to Dublin City Centre, I'd encourage them to visit Belfast and spend a day walking around the city centre just to see what a difference limited pedestrianisation makes to a town/city!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,278 ✭✭✭Paddico


    I reckon there’s some self interest going on here. Curious to know more


    https://www.independent.ie/regionals/tipperary/news/tipperary-bridge-pedestrianisation-has-brought-a-shutter-down-on-twin-towns/a931267191.html



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,177 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    This stuff really needs to be very seriously considered. Ideologues will push for pedestrianisation everywhere but if the consequence of that is a 30% fall in trade overnight for small businesses in a town then that is obviously an unacceptable price and should be reversed or better not done in the first place.

    A bit of cop on needs to be applied across the board.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,956 ✭✭✭adaminho


    Killaloe is a summer town, of course there is going to be a drop off in the Winter. As the article said it's still busy at the weekends but the Councillor complaining that there is no one using it mid-week.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,437 ✭✭✭Deedsie


    It hasn't stopped raining for about 3 months. Give it a chance when the sun shines. I'm sure numbers will increase then.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,872 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Small business' engaging in self interest is shocking.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,675 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Allegedly 30%. Alleged by someone who was always against the pedestrianisation.

    There is little or no business in those villages that people were driving to one parking up and then driving to the other side for more shops.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 22,097 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    The issue is now someone is more inclined to pass it by rather than stop. A car passing that wanted to get something to eat, fuel etc is now not going to consider Killaloe or Ballina as you cannt go through to the road on the other side.

    Its all very well to say its a summer town but passing business is important. As we go into spring and summer the lads coming from matches are less likly to go into the town and if they do they will only go to ine side of the bridge. I think Ballina will particularly suffer especially the Lakeside Hotel and bars on that side of the bridge

    Slava Ukrainii



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,675 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    That's a product of bypassing a town regardless of the bridge being pedestrianised or not.

    If people can't be bothered to drive in and out the same side for food they won't be bothered driving in one and out the other.

    A couple of people maybe but that councillor pulled 30% out of their hole based on pedestrianisation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,296 ✭✭✭KrisW1001


    Yes, the argument that’s being put forward does suggest that people can’t walk across a bridge: there’s carparks on either end. The problem is that there’s no reason to walk across the bridge. In fairness she does seem to be aware that this is the root cause, but I don't know whether the proposed moving of the farmers' market to the bridge would help - especially as it would likely be opposed on the grounds that it takes up sacred car-parking spaces.

    Isn’t there a disused Co-op site on the Ballina side that could be re-purposed for this?

    The other thing, and more important for a tourist town, is that last photos I saw of this were still pretty grim - if the pedestrianisation is permanent, then it’s about time they properly re-paved the bridge and its landings. This would also solve the problem of emergency/garda access from one side to the other that the current “drop big pots in the way” solution does not.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,675 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    The market is already on a car park at the foot of one side of the bridge so half the place is already walking across the bridge to get to it.

    I know it's a small sample size but the locals I know are very positive and report plenty walking across the bridge. As the councillor said themselves it has formed part of a sucessful loop walk which as replaced the old linear riverside walk.

    Cleaning it up would be great but that's hard when councillors will try block anything permanent. Also it would be incredibly rare to have a scenario where emergency services would be quicker to use that bridge. Even getting a fire engine on to it would be some job.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,956 ✭✭✭adaminho


    "We have a nice walk called Walk Our Twin Bridges, which is about 3.5 kilometres long, but a lot of people are parking their cars in strategic areas in Ballina that we need for shopping, and then doing the loop and spending nothing here."They’re bringing their own coffee, their own bottle of water, and they’re taking up a parking space on our street,” she said.

    Complains that no one is using it then complains about people driving to use it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 22,097 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    So will one of the LA CPO or rent the disused Co-op site. Just because it owned by a co-op is not a reason it can just be used. Anyway I think the co-op has sold itnon snd the LA did not buy it. Pedestrianised spunds great, but Killaloe/Ballina has a population of 4.5k between them. That population now is split in half or 2/3-1/3.

    TThe Councillor is obviously grtting thete information from business operating in the area. On the Ballina side there is a sort of mini shopping area. Its probably badly effected. A commuter previously using it on the way home during the week will not now. This BS about some not being bothered, is a total misunderstandings of the way busi ess work with passing trade.

    It like bypassing a town or village and planki g a big wall in the middle of the village or town. . Do you think that would not effect businesss in a town or village except in this case it takes 5-10 minutes to walk accriss the bridge

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 159 ✭✭Pale Red


    Even if we accept the 30% drop as accurate, how much of that drop is due to the bypass. I would imagine most of it.

    This "lost" income will appear elsewhere as "new" income - the car will still need petrol and will have to get it at another location (no idea if there's even a service station affected by the bypass but the point is valid for most other goods).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,675 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Except we have seen over and over and over and over and over and over that politicians and business people who claim that pedestrianisation is bad are proven factually wrong.

    But thinking an area is "split off" because people have to use their feet would suggest you have the mentality that you have to park right outside the front door of every shop.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,329 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    There are filling stations in both towns.

    I doubt they will be greatly affected by the pedestrianisation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,329 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    I see that they have not addressed the issue of emergency access for incidents on the bridge itself or on the water.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,675 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    What could happen in the water that would require a vehicle on the bridge. I've never seen a river rescue done that way ?

    Also a medical incident on the bridge would be dealt with the same way as one in the middle of a shopping centre or up 4 flights of stairs.

    All this "won't somebody please think of the emergency services" has been covered already.

    Post edited by breezy1985 on


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