US/Israel conduct airstrikes on Iran again

People can be against American regime changes in the middle East and not be pro Iran or anti-USA. Its a bit pathetic when posters seem to deliberately ignore the carnage of the Iraq , Libyan and Afghanistan regime change projects and try to dumb it down to "us versus them" dichotomy.

Did people learn nothing from the George W Bush era?

This isn't exactly going well for Bibi or Trump anymore.

Wars ignite our passions and tempt us to make provocative statements, especially in a social media environment designed to heighten controversy and exaggerate differences. To say I’m hostile to Trump and his MAGA movement would be an understatement so it’s probably a good idea to start with what most of us can agree on. I would contend that secular social democracy is the best form of government for any developed economy capable of supporting it. Iran falls woefully short in that regard. Israel and America are moving in the wrong direction too but they’re nowhere near as bad as Iran yet on that benchmark.

With that said, I’m still not hearing a coherent case for American involvement in this war. For America’s neighbours the changes we have seen since Trump returned are of considerable concern.

MAGA isn’t about liberal or conservative on the economic spectrum although it claims to be. Many MAGA policies are deeply unpopular with low-tax, low-spending libertarians like Thomas Massie or Rand Paul, including military involvement overseas.

MSNOW talking about Iranian aggression while showing pictures of Tehran in flames! Belatedly they labelled it as Tehran. They should be showing footage from the relevant countries. Even on a ‘left-wing’ channel (by American standards) they still ask why Iran is doing this, as if it weren't obvious.

The Iranian-backed militant group Hezbollah can be contained with the right support from international allies, a Lebanese government minister has said.

Dr Kamal Shehadi, minister for the displaced, told chief presenter Mark Austin Lebanon was "bleeding literally and figuratively" from the Israeli strikes.

On whether it would be possible to restrain and disarm Hezbollah, Shehadi said: "Can we, politically and militarily, contain Hezbollah? Yes we can, if we get the right support from the international community.

"We cannot afford to sit idly by while the country is being destroyed for the fourth or fifth time in less than 20 years because Hezbollah chooses to fight wars in the Iranian interest, not anything to do with Lebanese interests and to do this on their own."

The Lebanese Government wants them disarmed. Most Lebanese people don't support them. They are achieving nothing for Lebanon.

There is no one magic solution to all this, but people need to at least accept that the actions of Hezbollah are in fact a serious problem for not just Israel, but Lebanon itself.

More on the Lebanon/Hezbollah situation:-

War with Iran: Lebanon calls for direct talks with Israel, accuses Hezbollah of betraying country | CNN

Lebanese President Joseph Aoun detailed his plan during a virtual meeting with European Union officials, in which he leveled sharp criticism at Hezbollah and Israel for what he called “an attempt to corner my country.” He accused Israel of showing “no respect for the laws of war, nor for international laws.” Israel’s assault on Lebanon has displaced more than 600,000 people and killed more than 400, including scores of women and children, Aoun said.

……………………..Calling the Shiite Muslim group “an armed faction … that places no value on Lebanon’s interest nor on the life of its people,” Aoun said Hezbollah “wanted to achieve the fall of the State of Lebanon, under aggression and chaos.” He accused the group of working “for the sake of the calculations of the Iranian regime.”

Did he ok that with the Iranian's ? It does not sound like it to me.

Apparently Trump is going to make an important announcement tonight based on posts on X. He may try and spin 'victory' and seek to end the war. Now with Israel having entered Lebanon for a ground invasion and Iran continuing to pummel Israel with missiles I'm not sure any end of war announcement will hold much meaning. Trump is well in over his head and their is no easy way out. It looks to me like Iran holds most of the aces. Time will tell.

US President Donald Trump spoke to his Russian counterpart Vladimir Putin over the phone Monday to discuss Iran among other issues, according to the Russian president’s aide Yury Ushakov.

“I’ll say right away that the conversation was businesslike, frank, and constructive, as is usually the case in dialogue between Russian and American leaders,” Ushakov said of the hour-long call, the first between them this year.

DJT getting his orders no doubt.

Maybe the giant orange retard should have considered that before he commenced.

Nobody's going to pretend that certain types on here actually give a single shit about Iranians no matter how many crocodile tears they shed.