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Star Trek: Starfleet Academy S1-E09 "300th Night" ***Spoilers Within***

  • 05-03-2026 03:48PM
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,778 ✭✭✭✭


    Well excepting the obligatory stupid is as stupid does and "feelings" - that was actually a decent episode and found myself surprisingly enjoying it.

    I wonder who directed it…



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,778 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    I meant to add - why do they have the Omega particle when it was declared to be destroyed whenever found 600 years earlier for good reason (thats one of the stupid bits)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,862 ✭✭✭Tenzor07


    For the basic reason that none of the writers of SF: Academy have watched Star Trek before, and this isn't Canon so can be treated like a whole other show.. maybe like this one..?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,138 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    If you are gonna do something stupid like have this particle then protect it with a fleet of ships or put it away from any habited planets and self destruct if captured.

    The cadets on a mission angle could have been more intetesting but hard to overlook the stupidity of the 'mcguffin'.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,752 ✭✭✭✭CastorTroy


    Have to question how the doctor acted. I'm no expert but I believe triage should be first. There was a woman laying on the ground after bieng shot and he attends to a possible broken nose and hugging his daughter before even getting to her and them carrying her to medbay.

    The brother (whose name I never remember) completely forgotten about this episode.

    It was a better episode though. Waiting to see how they wrap things up or will they just end on a cliffhanger. Surprised this wasn't the finale, though I assume they'll have Paul Giamatti back for it.

    Was anyone else expecting one of the cadets to come up with a way for them to escape without the separation?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 618 ✭✭✭eadrom


    A little bit all over the place but decent enough.

    Didn't they say this was a synthetic one?

    Definitely a plot device wrapped in a needless memberberry either way. And engulfing the entirety of federation space with the stuff seems like a bit of stretch in all sorts of ways, but the final visual was kinda cool I guess.

    A typically well made Frakesisode but it doesn't really stand on it's own story-wise, and I'm not looking forward to the inevitable return of Giamatti in the final. Not a fan of his scenery chewing at all so far.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,778 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    To quote the dialogue "endgame was the Omega on that space station…and time delayed mines", which seems rather stupid that one ship has all that tech and coincidentally goes to into a battle situarion to help another ship to have it all stolen…

    When I say I enjoyed it, I'm coming from a very low bar, and there was a lot less academy stuff in this and more actual action and a story progression (which considering the last two episodes is a really low bar to supersede)

    There's a lot wrong with the episode but the guts of it were acceptable enough if you don't think about it too much

    The whole first season has relied heavily on memberberries to try and attract the fans but has handled it terribly, very much like the terrible season story arcs in discovery (like the kid destroying warp travel or ….)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,778 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    First saw this guy several weeks ago - initially thought is this an AI guy, maybe the script has been run through AI (it is just a little off, but so localised) - but tell me what you think of his opinion, not your typical rage baiter youtuber

    Starfleet Academy Episode 9: Written By Idiots 4 Idiots



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 618 ✭✭✭eadrom


    "endgame was the Omega on that space station…"

    Yes but somewhere else they mentioned that it's a synthetic variant, getting around the fact that the original was destroyed hundreds of years ago. Memory Alpha picked that up:

    By 3195, Starfleet had developed Omega-47, a synthetic variant of the Omega molecule with a destructive capacity in the same apocalyptic range as the regular Omega molecule. Omega-47 was stolen from Starbase J19-Alpha and weaponized by Nus Braka and the Venari Ral. (SA: "300th Night")

    https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Omega_molecule#Starfleet_weapons_research


    edit: oh, also just copped the "47" connection there. Why not, I suppose. But I dunno – it feels a little unearned in modern Trek. https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/47

    Post edited by eadrom on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,079 ✭✭✭✭MJohnston


    I'm impressed more and more week after week with this show and how 90s Trek it feels in some ways (certainly compared to the rest of Nu-Trek).

    Quiet, simple scenes of conversation and character development that are based on things we've seen the characters go through, rather than constant pizazz, action, and then five minutes of people crying at each other of Discovery (and even SNW sometimes).

    And the action when it comes is largely about puzzle solving and smartness rather than just shooting (although there’s that too).

    A solid sign of maturity and complexity in this show is that it didn’t feel the need to remind us that Caleb's mum might not trust Starfleet. It let him quietly make that choice and have us understand. Also mature is the choice to have SAM 2 be noticeably different from the SAM we knew. Not 6 years old anymore, but a real adult with life experience.

    Worried that the Braka stuff is a bit too "end of the universe" stakes, but it's fun that he's just making a box to put the Federation in, rather than actually wanting to blow **** up.

    Have to fully disagree with an earlier comment someone made about this feeling like a show written by people who had never watched Trek before - aside from people like Tawny who so very clearly are HUGE Trek fans (watch her Trek rewatch podcast if you don't believe it) there's Kirsten Beyer who has been deep into writing for the Trek extended-universe (Memory Beta stuff iykyk) for decades now (and who wrote this week's episode).

    Unlike with the memberberries/Glup Shitto-ness of Picard S3 or other Nu-Trek stuff, Starfleet Academy has really felt like authentically loving Trek.

    And I genuinely didn't expect it, I thought the premise of the Academy would be ****, I hated the previous 32nd century material we'd had, and I thought orienting around teens would make for a far goofier and teen-ier tone than what we've ended up with. I thought I'd hate this show, and instead it's fast becoming my favourite Trek show since DS9.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,862 ✭✭✭Tenzor07


    I'm not sure the hacks who write this show even watch the last episode, never mind watch any other Trek!

    The whole Omega thing would have been a hell of a lot better to have been the reason why the Federation and other Warp capable species could not travel for a 1000 years instead of a single Kelpien causing warp drive to become unusable..what a crock of sh…

    I mean now we have one man, just one who's managed to do what even the Borg couldn't do and rediscover a molecule that Janeway destroyed 100's of years ago and use it to contain the Federation!

    I think Kurtzman was wise to make the second season before it was cancelled by the network.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 618 ✭✭✭eadrom


    I mean now we have one man, just one who's managed to do what even the Borg couldn't do and rediscover a molecule that Janeway destroyed 100's of years ago

    "one man" being Nus Braka?

    He stole it from the Starfleet research facility, he didn't re-invent the damn thing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,778 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    I'm not sure you have actually watched the show - the characters change with every episode, and the whole premise of several episodes has been early teen shenanigans (badly done). And as for Sam - still the same irritating **** who is still trying to master English



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,079 ✭✭✭✭MJohnston


    No, I have actually watched the show - but truly thank you for the condescending response, it's really what I wanted to wake up to on a Monday morning.

    I didn't enjoy "Vitus Reflux" or "Ko'Zeine", but I've really loved a couple of other episodes (particularly The Sisko episode and "The Life of the Stars") and generally think this show is a step above even Strange New Worlds (which rarely has the patience of this show to stay with a conversation for too long)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,079 ✭✭✭✭MJohnston


    as for Sam - still the same irritating **** who is still trying to master English

    Oh and this is a really bizarre and unfounded thing to say, to the point where I'm wondering what you actually meant by it



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,862 ✭✭✭Tenzor07


    Ok let me clarify my point further, so in SFA we're supposed to believe that they just happened to "find" or create a particle Janeway destroyed with Borg tech and they just casually keep it as a research facility, ok fine, and then one person manages to steal this previously destroyed never to be heard of again top secret molecule and that one person weaponises it against the entire Federation? Even the Borg couldn't do this!!

    My point being is the hacks who write this crud of a show must have just been given a 1 hour teams call about previous Star Trek shows so barely know anything about it..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,079 ✭✭✭✭MJohnston


    You mean like the hacks who wrote the Genesis device or the transporting phaser, or transphasic torpedos, etc etc?

    Trek has always been full of plot gizmos, and rife with technobabble solutions to problems - how many different things is the deflector array capable of doing?

    And yeah, much like there's likely many labs around our present day earth that are used to study the most horrific diseases, I'd fully believe that Starfleet would (over the course of 800 years) have figured out a way to recreate an artificial version of Omega in order to study it.

    If you're going to complain about "the Burn", sure, it was a terribly written premise, but it's not the fault of THIS show



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,262 ✭✭✭✭AMKC
    Ms


    I was watching this episode and thinking yep I am done with this. Its so bad. Warp nacelles on the shuttle/small ship becsuse it bloody looks more like a amall ship than a shuttle. What warp nacelles? Are they like the Defiant so the white exhaust we see in the nacelles? Is it becsause I see no nacelles on It.

    Also how did Nuk or whatever his name is create so many Omega 47 mines?

    But then in the last 10 or so minutes it got good still not great but good. Its kinda the oppisite problem that F1 has lol. Sh-it at the beginning good at the end F1 is the other way now.

    So I guess I will have to watch the next episode now.

    Live long and Prosper

    Peace and long life.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,674 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Did Voyager destroy every Omega molecule everywhere ?

    Did they not just destroy the one they encountered ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,079 ✭✭✭✭MJohnston




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,674 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    That's what I thought. Seems to be a lot of anger in various places about the existence of more which was confusing me.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,862 ✭✭✭Tenzor07


    I think you're getting all confused and con-flustered between those devices created as Trek tech/plot devices and the Omega particle which is the one thing that canon explicitly states that Starfleet should not study under any circumstances, so your point is complete nonsense which ignores everything previously stated about the Omega particle..

    On the other point, you're getting a bit too defensive of this show which reveals a lot, however I never "blamed" this show which comes from the same team and is Kurtzman-Trek also, I just said at least as bad as using the Omega particle is, it's still a hell of a lot better than the Burn..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,674 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    That was 800 years ago.

    Do you think no directives have changed in 800 years.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,862 ✭✭✭Tenzor07


    If Starfleet changed the Omega directive and decided to research it again, that makes it worse! The directive existed because Omega destroys subspace, I mean the Burn stopped all Warp travel so give me the logic as to why Starfleet are playing with such a dangerous item after 800 years? Just pure reckless and isn't progress at all! It's not like it was changed for Political reasons ffs!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,674 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Hubris just like all the other times humanity thought it could harness powers it didn't understand.

    Maybe it's because of the Burn. They might have seen it as a potential new warp power source.

    If it's logic you are looking for what is the logic of a lad who clearly deeply hates a show still watching 9 hours in.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,862 ✭✭✭Tenzor07


    Rubbish, calling it "hubris" doesn't make it logical, if anything the Burn would have made Starfleet more cautious about messing around with Omega, not suddenly experimenting with it on a Space-station that some bad guy managed to break into and steal…

    The hacks who write this crud couldn't even explain why Starfleet would be so wreck-less, but you're having a go eh? And watching something and criticising the terrible writing isn't hate, it's just paying attention..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,079 ✭✭✭✭MJohnston


    I'm not at all confused - you're simply arguing about these little details that you think would have remained unchanged for 800 years. Can you even fathom what has changed in science in the past 800 years? Sure you can even just think about the extraordinary changes in the last 50 years.

    Added to this, the Burn stuff we saw in Disco (and that Academy is trying to repair the damage of) clearly has shown that the Federation and Starfleet fell apart, and devolved in terms of code, ethics, and goals. It's absolutely no surprise to me that someone would have started to study Omega during that time (after all, warp travel was already fucked anyway, so what's to lose?).

    None of what this show is exploring is particularly off-base in that regard.

    Also to add, Academy is not from the same team as Discovery/Picard/SNW - Kirsten Beyer is the only writer with any large amount of nu-Trek writing experience, and Noga Landau the showrunner is completely new to the franchise. Kurtzman is a producer, but he's been listed as that for every nu-Trek show and I believe is not particularly hands-on with writing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,079 ✭✭✭✭MJohnston


    They also explicitly say that it was a synthetic variant of Omega, not 'natural' Omega.

    Just as present-day humanity has created synthetic versions of various types of smallpox, ebola, and other horrifying diseases — both for cure study and for weaponisation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 618 ✭✭✭eadrom


    so in SFA we're supposed to believe that they just happened to "find" or create a particle Janeway destroyed with Borg tech and they just casually keep it as a research facility

    Why not, exactly? It's been 800 years since that adventure with Janeway and the Borg. Please clarify your point a little further for us in the back rows.

    and then one person manages to steal this previously destroyed never to be heard of again top secret molecule and that one person weaponises it against the entire Federation?

    One person? The Vanari Ral is an empire, and they used a fleet of ships to attack the station and steal the molecule.

    Even the Borg couldn't do this!!

    800 years ago.

    Do you even watch this show or are you too busy scribbling down hot-takes to pay attention?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,862 ✭✭✭Tenzor07


    "800 years later" doesn't change anything, Omega is still the same, science didn't magically fix this in the preceding centuries, unless you're staying that "synthetic" Omega doesn't do what it did back in Janeway's time?? Right so a number of ships attacked the Station led by one man, fine so what happened to the Omega directive?

    Questioning whether someone watches the show rather than addressing the points here is pretty lazy dude.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,674 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    7 of 9 did actually manage to successfully control Omega in the seconds before it was destroyed. So even in Voyager the potential to harness it was developing.



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