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US/Israel conduct airstrikes on Iran again

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,227 ✭✭✭Enduro


    Plus the considerable weakening of Hezbollah, which in turn had some knock on effects in helping the success of the Syrian revolution. I understand why Hamas did what they did, and what they were hoping to achieve (An Israeli reaction causing a multi-front war against Israel). But jaysus, it was a massive miscalculation. They've ended up much worse off on every front.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 440 ✭✭Ultimate Gowlbag


    Sure they were sent back by the plane load by lads in flip flops in Afghanistan!

    The world needs US soldiers to be slaughtered there,it'll bring home to even the most moronic maga gimp that Trump needs reigning in on his threats to any country he wants!

    Any IDF slaughterings would be purely for the megalolzzzz!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,738 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    Why are people in general so reluctant to comment on this ? Hamas strategy has been an utter disaster. It has failed utterly and given the USA and Israel Carte Blanche.

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,053 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    Fox appears to have posted an edited or taken-some-other-time picture without Trump wearing his baseball cap when honouring fallen soldiers. Truly Fox are in-the-tank for Trump and his war.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,623 ✭✭✭sock.rocker*


    https://www.investing.com/commodities/crude-oil

    Christ almighty. The line just goes up second by second. Up 3.5% in the last seven minutes. 29% since open.

    I don't Iran to blow up oil infrastructure around the middle east and wreck the global economy, but they really do have every right to after Israel's attacks on theirs. Imagine the line if that happened.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,053 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    The rising oil price might be Trump's equivalent of the Iran hostage crisis. Carter was sometimes compared to a hostage at that time because it prevented him focusing on other issues.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 266 ✭✭rayman10


    There's a thread about €2 litre petrol. It's nearly time for a €3 litre petrol thread.

    This is going to get awful for everybody very quickly now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,053 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    A petition calling for a Commons debate on Israels influence in UK politics has reached 100,000 signatures, meaning it has to be considered for a debate. My personal view is the Lobby will block it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,623 ✭✭✭sock.rocker*


    Yesterday:

    “Short term oil prices, which will drop rapidly when the destruction of the Iran nuclear threat is over, is a very small price to pay for U.S.A., and World, Safety and Peace,” Trump said in a Sunday evening Truth Social post.

    I don't think he cares. He lives in an alternate reality where Iran is always about to nuke America and he believes the average American shares that same fear. He has no one around him to tell him any differently so he will continue the war at Israel's behest. He declared Iran's nuclear threat to be completely destroyed last year but this year, they are apparently close to nuking America.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,623 ✭✭✭sock.rocker*


    But on Sunday, Mehnaz decided staying put in the city was no longer feasible. She fled at about 11.30am and drove towards her parents’ home outside the province.

    “There was a long queue for gas and they were rationing and putting a limit on how much we [could] fill in,” she said. “The Rey depot, you won’t believe, was still on fire and it’s insane because in the night it looked like day and in the day, it was so dark, it looked like a new moon night. So, so dark, just like our futures.”

    She said: “While I was leaving I noticed there wasn’t a single bird in the sky and you know what they say? When the birds abandon you, you are truly on your own. We have so many cats in the city. If these attacks continue, whoever rules here next, they will rule over a democracy of cats. But then even cats have only nine lives.”

    Poetic but tragic.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 266 ✭✭rayman10


    Getting the straits of Hormuz open and secure might not be easy. Drones attacking ships will be tough to defend against.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 333 ✭✭somenergy


    Bombing infrastructure has to be fixed but it could lead a quick path to civil war first.

    Another refugee crisis for Europe, Russia gave us Syrians now Americans/Israelis will give us Iranians and with 200$ oil incoming will help the Russians fund their European war also of choice.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,623 ✭✭✭sock.rocker*


    I think the bigger concern after the attacks on Iran's oil is that oil infrastructure around the gulf will be attacked which would be magnitudes worse than blocking the strait of Hormuz. I cannot really see any reason they wouldn't attack some of it now. Maybe it will be Mojtaba Khamenei's first and maybe only major act as leader before Israel assassinates him later this week.

    Bringing down the world economy is the only actual weapon they have to reign in America.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,623 ✭✭✭sock.rocker*


    Trump says when to end war will be ‘mutual’ decision with Netanyahu – report

    Donald Trump has said a decision on when to end the war with Iran will be a “mutual” one he’ll make together with Benjamin Netanyahu, the Times of Israel has reported.

    So much for MAGA. The second most powerful man in America is the leader of Israel.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,603 ✭✭✭Dr Robert




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,053 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    The Republican base has a lot of fundamentalist Christians who interpret the Bible as "support Israel". Pew polls since 2017 have shown Israel is rated as the 5th most important US ally by Republicans, compared to 28th for Democrats.

    This was obviously a radical departure from Christianity until this movement, known as Dispensationalism, appeared. It was invented by a theologians in the 19th century including C.I. Scofield around 1907 and he issued another Scoffield Bible with annotations supporting his views when the Balfour Declaration was issued.

    Dispensationalism is a Christian theological framework for interpreting the Christian Bible which maintains that history is divided into multiple ages called dispensations in which God interacts with his chosen people in different ways.[1]: 19  It is often distinguished from covenant theology, the traditional Reformed view of reading the Bible.[2][3] These are two competing frameworks of biblical theology that attempt to explain overall continuity in the Bible. The coining of the term "dispensationalism" has been attributed to Philip Mauro, a critic of the system's teachings, in his 1928 book The Gospel of the Kingdom.[4][5]

    Dispensationalists use a literal interpretation of the Bible and believe that divine revelation unfolds throughout its narrative. They believe that there is a distinction between Israel and the Church, and that Christians are not bound by Mosaic law. They maintain beliefs in premillennialismChristian Zionism, and a rapture of Christians before the expected Second Coming of Jesus, whom Christians believe to be the Messiah, generally before the Great Tribulation.[6]

    Dispensationalism was systematized and promoted by John Nelson Darby and the Plymouth Brethren in the mid-19th century.[7]: 67  It began its spread in the United States during the late 19th century through the efforts of evangelists such as James InglisJames Hall Brookes and Dwight L. Moody, the programs of the Niagara Bible Conference, and the establishment of Bible institutes. With the dawn of the 20th century, C. I. Scofield introduced the Scofield Reference Bible, which crystallized dispensationalism in the United States.

    Dispensationalism has become popular within American evangelicalism. In addition to the Plymouth Brethren, it is commonly found in nondenominational Bible churches, as well as among BaptistPentecostal, and Charismatic groups.[8] Protestant denominations that embrace covenant theology, such as the Reformed churches, tend to reject dispensationalism.

    ….

    The number of dispensations may vary from three to eight, but the typical seven-dispensation scheme is as follows:[7]: 51–57 

    Innocence – Adam under probation prior to the Fall of Man. Ends with expulsion from the Garden of Eden in Genesis 3. Some refer to this period as the Adamic period or the dispensation of the Adamic covenant or Adamic law.

    Conscience – From the Fall to the Great Flood. Ends with the worldwide deluge.

    Human or Civil Government – After the Great Flood, humanity is responsible to enact the death penalty, and has the authority to govern. Ends with the dispersion at the Tower of Babel. Some use the term "Noahide law" in reference to this period of dispensation.

    Promise or Patriarchal Rule – From Abraham to Moses. Ends with the refusal to enter Canaan and the 40 years of unbelief in the wilderness. Some use the terms "Abrahamic law" or "Abrahamic covenant" in reference to this period of dispensation.

    Law – From Moses to the crucifixion of Jesus Christ. Ends with the scattering of Israel in AD 70. Some use the term "Mosaic law" in reference to this period of dispensation.

    Grace – From the cross to the rapture of the church seen by some groups as being described in 1 Thessalonians and the Book of Revelation. The rapture is followed by the wrath of God, constituting the Great Tribulation. Some use the term "Age of Grace" or "the Church Age" for this dispensation.

    Millennial Kingdom – A literal 1000 year reign of Christ on earth (Revelation 20:1–6), centered in Jerusalem, ending with God's judgment on the final rebellion.

    Reports that the Golestan Palace was hit. Not directly, but that a shockwave from another target did a lot of damage.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 415 ✭✭Condor24


    Well Israel blowing up Iran's oil reserves isn't going to help oil prices that's for sure. Not that they give a damn. It's not only your cars or heating that's going to become very expensive but everything that requires transport. Or electricity. Food. Consumer goods. Services. All going to increase. Inflation will spike. Long term this will threaten the economy. There's no sign of an 'exit ramp' for anyone. Israel is calling the tune here. I haven't heard a single word from the UN. Remember them? You can say what you like about them but they were always a buffer of some kind in international conflicts. Irrelevant and ignored now. I'm very pessimistic about this.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,603 ✭✭✭Dr Robert


    The new supreme leader might not last long



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,053 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    Israel is really a walking stereotype. They do a lot of damage to the Jewish diaspora by the hatred they stir up with their wars and illegal occupation. I sympathise with those Jews who oppose Netanyahu, and yet are subject to unfair blame when abroad. We've seen protests during the Gaza war of Israeli tourists in other countries. On the other hand, some Israeli tourists have been openly supportive of his policies.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 415 ✭✭Condor24


    Listening last night to a conservative US radio programme online which said Iran was responsible for 'thousands of US deaths' since 1979. Whatever your stance on Iran, you've got to call out BS when it's as obvious as this. In purely civilian terms probably around thirty lives in total. Militarily, going back to the, Beirut bombing in the 80s and Iraq deaths, there's several hundred probably. I hate using peoples lives to prove stats but it's a fact.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,053 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    They are probably including Israeli soldiers with US and Israeli citizenship, US soldiers killed by IED's planted by Iranian proxies in Iraq and Syria. But I doubt its "thousands".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 192 ✭✭StarryPlough01


    Yep, apparently, it was a different occasion - it shows Trump wearing a black tie.

    The photo and video in below ABC article clearly shows President Trump wearing his contentious white baseball cap and a red tie. Trump should have taken off his branded ’45-47 white colour hat’ merchandise. This was disrespectful to the 6 American troops RIP and their grieving families, who were present.

    Video embedded here (at top):
    https://abcnews.com/US/trump-attend-dignified-transfer-6-fallen-service-members/story?id=130838735



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,623 ✭✭✭sock.rocker*


    Thick smoke is rising from the direction of the Bapco oil refinery in Bahrain, a witness has just been quoted as saying.

    That's Bahrain's only oil refinery, and the source of fuel for the US Fifth Fleet which is based in Bahrain. The company has just declared force majeure on shipments.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,053 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    Also Fox are showing a video of it but without the bit with Trump wearing the cap. The Guardian reports they are showing old footage instead.

    Reports 32 injured in an Iranian strike in the UAE.

    Also the Kinahan's spotted in Dubai.

    Professor Jeffrey Sachs at 6.40 minutes criticises the Zionist lobby pushing the war in Iran. He himself is Jewish, which is a reminder that not all Jews support Israel.

    Post edited by Ozymandius2011 on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,181 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    Dispensationalism, by an Irishman, John Nelson Darby.

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,181 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    That’s funny because on Fox they accused CNN of showing old footage with Trump wearing a hat.

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,438 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Looks like oil went haywire during the night. The FT announced a G7 release of reserves will be discussed today, oil fell back by half what it gained.

    Trumps gone from drill baby drill to drain the reserves quick, instead of his campaign promise to fill them.

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    The old world is dying, and the new world struggles to be born: now is the time of monsters. — Antonio Gramsci



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 924 ✭✭✭bored65


    The Iranian regime sure thinks that us decadent democratic “westerners” with our toxic values such as “democracy” and “freedom” are actors

    And they attacked us Europeans and Europe

    They also think their Muslim and neutral neighbours are actors

    And attacked em



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,623 ✭✭✭sock.rocker*


    I have no idea why people projectile vomit the word democratic into these conversations as if it means anything.

    America has the worst international track record of any country since world war ii. It has bombed the most countries and causes the most deaths through its military conquests. Millions of civilians all over the planet dead and they have removed themselves from any court system that could question their war crimes. They used their democratic values to prosecute one man for the My Lai Massacre and he spent three days behind bars before the US president reduced it to house arrest.

    Israel, the other famous democracy, conducts war crimes on a weekly basis and has been doing so for years. 11% of their democratic population live on stolen land, and like America, also do not answer to any court for their war crimes. They have instigated war after war across the Middle East and even propped up Hamas for years, supporting them more than any other entity because it suited their aims. Their democratic values led to the murder of tens of thousands of women and children in the last few years and they will never answer for that, same as no American will ever answer for blowing up 150+ people in a girls school, with a lot of deaths being between the ages of 7-12.

    I guess after writing all that, I do understand why people blab on about democracy all the time as if it matters. It's the only redeeming feature of those two nations, so it has to be brought up constantly. The irony being that by being democratic, their populations are fully responsible and culpable for their country's crimes.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,217 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



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