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What is one thing you would change about history?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,053 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    I would have postponed the creation of Israel until a consensus was agreed between the Jews and Arabs living in the region. Theres a lot of evidence the Truman administration pressured the UK to pull out too soon. In the series "End of Empire" theres an episode on Palestine about this. The US leveraged the UKs near bankruptcy to pressure them to immediately allow hundreds of thousands of Jewish settlers to move in, and to pull out their troops. When the British warned this would lead to war, the US was unmoved. Truman was facing a close election in 1948.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,535 ✭✭✭kowloonkev


    Christianity (and most lasting religions) has offered some kind of moral compass for the powerful as well as the weak. Without it, we would all be slaves to this day.

    A lot of atheists like to think their moral compass is independent of religion and religious influence. That's how arrogant they are.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,506 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    Um not to start an argument but Christianity allows slavery. And slavery under christianity was worse than Roman pagan times.

    Compare the african slave trade of europeans to slavery in roman times its kind of clear.

    biblical authors seem to condone slavery, and the ancient Israelites and Christians both practiced slavery ranging from chattel slavery to sex slavery.

    There are at least seven passages in the Bible where God is depicted as directly permitting or endorsing slavery.

    2 in the old testament and 5 in the new testament.

    Owning slaves was seen as a sign of God’s blessing

    Here is one passage from the new testament

    Ephesians 6:5

    5 Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect[a] and trembling, in singleness of heart, as you obey Christ



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,535 ✭✭✭kowloonkev


    I don't want to discuss with AI.

    Nobody is saying religion is infallible.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,506 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    I am not saying that either. I am saying parts of Christianity are evil. In fact Judaism and Islam have the same issues with slavery.

    Sikhism on the other hand strictly forbids slavery.

    Religion has evolved WITH man's morality and in fact very often morality has had to rebel against religion to course correct.

    I mean what is zionism if not religion?

    Don't worry AI doesnt wish to talk to us for the same reason aliens dont visit we don't have the bandwidth.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,726 ✭✭✭Benedict XVI


    I'd go back to 5:27pm on 04-03-2026 and stop @Sleepy posting what they posted.

    Because this thread is turning into a debate about religion.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,956 ✭✭✭adaminho


    Getting away from the religion thing I wonder how Ireland and the world would have turned out if the famine never happened?

    • Ireland would have a population of around 20m.
    • Irish independence would have been years further away if at all.
    • Without Irish immigration would the States have grown as fast?
    • If the Irish were conscripted during WW1 would the war have ended sooner?

    There are a few more what if's as well but they are a few I wonder about.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,476 ✭✭✭Cordell


    I would kill Mohamed. That will prevent a lot of evil, probably even the justification used by a certain painter to do what he did.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,677 ✭✭✭Cyclingtourist


    'Irish immigration'? Do you mean 'emigration'?

    Conscription in Ireland in WWI wouldn't have shortened the war imo, may even have lengthened it. On the population figure of 20m that's pure speculation, the economic model was unsustainable and emigration levels would undoubtedly have been even higher. The foundation of the IFS was a product of WWI as were a lot of changes elsewhere in Europe. The Great Famine had little or no effect IMO on the founding of the IFS. 'Irish independence' or more accurately that of the 26 counties was a gradual process with major steps in the 1930s and even more recently with Brexit.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,673 ✭✭✭Bredabe


    The fact that so many Irish youngsters seemed to have learned a skewed history of the northern Irish conflict, so many I meet are intrenched in guilt over "our part" in that conflict.

    They dont seem to have learned the backstory or understand the nuances of what lead to it!

    "Have you ever wagged your tail so hard you fell over"?-Brod Higgins.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,956 ✭✭✭adaminho


    I used immigration as I was speaking of the impact of Irish immigrants to American culture. How different would the likes of Boston or New York have been without their large Irish contingent. Would the Kennedys have ever travelled to America let alone become a political dynasty? Large numbers of arriving Irish fought in the American-Mexican war for America (apart from the San Patricios) which could have altered the American border.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 98,120 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


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    https://xkcd.com/1063/

    Revised directive: It is forbidden for you to interfere with human history until you've at least taken a class on it.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 98,120 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    There were three main contenders for control of the Mediterranean. Romans, Greeks and Phoenicians.

    During the Siege of Syracuse Moeriscus opened the gate near the Fountain of Arethusa and let the Romans in.

    As an aside Archimedes was killed during the looting.

    So many inflexion points in history. Decisions decisions.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,677 ✭✭✭Cyclingtourist


    Right, get you now.

    Irish emigration was certainly increased by the Great Famine but would have occurred anyway at some level and continued on in the 20th century and beyond. Lots of other countries contributed to the political and social life of America, it's just that we think we're exceptional and largely ignore the Ulster Scots in favour of Catholic Irish like JFK's ancestor who emigrated in 1848.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,726 ✭✭✭Benedict XVI


    A lot of the Catholic Irish just provided the physical labour.

    The money, the leadership the entrepreneurship that built America came from people of British, Dutch and German ancestry.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,677 ✭✭✭Cyclingtourist




  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 98,120 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    We could try an experiment. Split a country in two. One half gets the Catholics. The other gets hard working Protestants, and most of the banks, almost all the heavy industry. Come back in 100 years and see how they get on.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,645 ✭✭✭Gloomtastic!


    You should always remember when talking about religion and why it exists, is that the tax advantages outweigh any moral obligation it may have to it’s followers.
    There’s a reason the Catholic Church is the largest landowner on the planet.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,052 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    You really should have done some research before posting this comment.



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 55,565 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    Thanks for the constructive feedback.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,750 ✭✭✭Jack Daw


    If WW1 doesn't happen then maybe we don't get Germany being aggrieved by the Versailles Treaty which means we don't get the rise of Hitler which means we don't get the Holocaust and WW2, this means we don't get the creation of Israel and the sh1t storms it's created in the middle east over the years.

    although there is not one singular moment which caused WW1 to happen (as even with Archduke Franz Ferdinand being assassinated it probably would've happened) and maybe even without it Hitler would have risen up (or someone like him) and they would've still tried to exterminate the Jews.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 55,565 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    i read a book a few years ago, which was a history of germany starting thousands of years ago. it's a slight headwreck reading about a country whose borders have been so fluid. and which disappeared completely at times.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,645 ✭✭✭Gloomtastic!


    And all because the driver turned the wrong way at a junction…… 🙃



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,008 ✭✭✭Hamsterchops


    Would have been great if the Romans had spent more time here 2000 years ago. Building straight roads, roman baths, viaducts, and amphitheaters … like wot they did in Britain.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,037 ✭✭✭BP_RS3813


    Changed the ruling in Dodge v. Ford Motor C (1919).

    That case was an absolute disaster and its ruling is what has caused the greed of modern day corporations.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,053 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    I'm not sure where the evidence is that it was not as bad in Roman times. Thousands were crucified after the Spartacan revolt.

    There was also the Islamic slave trade and slave trade by African rulers themselves.

    By the time of Christianisation, Roman slavery still existed but was being superseded by the Colonnate. Tenant farmers (Coloni) who had previously been free were now tied to the estate in Diocletian's tax reforms to maximise poll-taxes and agricultural production. This is seen as the origin of Medieval serfdom.

    There were some improvements in the conditions of slaves in the Christian Roman period. The Church opposed breaking up families and supported recognising slave marriages. Constantine gave bishops the power to manumit (free) slaves. But there was a hypocrisy because the Church was one of the largest slaveowners.

    Around the 14th century, slavery in European France was banned by Louis X. Norman England banned it in William I or II's reign. However, being sentenced to galley slavery could be a punishment for crimes in the 17th century.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16 CasNiRas


    I wonder what Ireland would be like today if it had been taken over by France or Spain instead of England.

    If France or Spain had invaded us, would our buildings be nicer and would more of us live in apartment blocks?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,408 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    Christianity and a lot of other major religions are very conflicted. I remember someone saying that if you followed the bible exactly you'd have to have multiple personalities. You'd be both the nicest person in the world and an absolute sociopath/psychopath at the same time.

    I think that's part of the reason why they're popular. They allow people to be the people they want to be. You will find people on both sides of an argument citing the Bible or Koran or Torah.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,408 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    I have a German friend who said she was jealous because Ireland has such a long history. Germany didn't consider themselves a unified group before the German empire. And there's no reason someone from Bavaria should feel any connection with the achievements in say Prussia before German unification. They will identify culturally to an extent with Kant, Goethe Beethoven etc, but not necessarily with kingdoms that existed before the German empire.



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