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Kilkenny GAA Thread

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,784 ✭✭✭kk.man


    This was coming, whether we want to admit it or not. Easy Leinster titles camouflaged where we stood for the last number of years.

    I don't blame players or management but that incestuous county board. Thats where the rot started. They failed to keep KK hurling modern and rejuvenated.

    Big changes required or its going to be one long famine.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 597 ✭✭✭jamesbond2022


    Your bang on with all of that

    We’re 10 years behind some other counties they ve spent the last 10-12 years or more setting up the right structures and pathways etc

    We’re barely scratching the surface with the work started by m Fennelly

    Hopefully with the work being doing at underage level now in 10 years time thoose 20-24 years old are fully equipped for senior inter county hurling

    The proof is in the pudding when you see the type of players cork Limerick Clare and even Dublin have filtering into there senior panels they can run change direction on a sixpence do everything at pace avoid contact take contact and play the modern way

    I think the whole Kieran’s thing is a big issue
    Years ago kids went to Kieran’s because they were good hurlers already

    Now kids are being sent to Kieran’s to get better at hurling and they would be better off going to a smaller school playing more often and not being swallowed up in the Kieran’s machine



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,007 ✭✭✭Village87


    Callan, Thomastown and Comer should all have competitive school teams but are non existent in A competitions. Fair play to Johnstown who seem to be making a big effort. If you look at clubs like Mvat, Glenmore, Tullogher, Rower they seem to produce plenty of players in GCC who are always competitive in Leinster A. Definitely too many talented hurlers losing interest when they don't make Kieran's teams



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,784 ✭✭✭kk.man


    There is nothing coming! When was the last u17 all ireland. We are a joke at college's level, no college management has an interest in Kilkenny players.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 597 ✭✭✭jamesbond2022




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 365 ✭✭jimmythesulk


    Being saying this for years about Kierans College and schools hurling. Having a school that poaches players from other schools to try win a medal in what is a very mediocre competition and then having posters such as Alonzo on this site talking up these players as future stars has not being good for young players development. When was the last time we won a minor All Ireland?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 88 ✭✭Imeall an cearnóg


    Anyone have the frees conceded stats from today's match?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,784 ✭✭✭kk.man


    Re Kierans dominance. Yes it was and is a factor, however remember our last famine. Ollie Walsh rip single handed broke that. He got players from outside the favourite gene pools. He was quoted as saying something to the effect, there's always hurlers in kilkenny but you might have to look a little bit harder.

    Thing is in 2026 if you do find these players unlike in 1990 they need to have s and c work etc done in their earlier years to compete now.

    The game has changed, Kerry adopted in football Kilkenny didn't in hurling.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 284 ✭✭hogans heroes


    Tipp beat us last year with long deliveries from their keeper and then played smartly against cork.we played tippy htappy stuff tonite playing with a wind inthw .1st half. To much tactics now and 3 passes where 1 will do.pick our best players in their best positions and go and hurl.were getting dragged into tactics and over coaching that just doesn't suit us IMO .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,784 ✭✭✭kk.man


    Tipp adapted to hurling changes. They went for goals for the 1st 20mins in an All Ireland semi final, that takes gumption but it also shows their lack of confidence in our two corner backs.

    Never mind Tipp, Wexford have the hodini sign over us in leinster for the last 6 odd years. Look at us tonight at the bottom of the division with Offaly.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,897 ✭✭✭windy shepard henderson


    in all fairness kilkenny looked like a team that was doing heavy blocks of training all week , when you see a side as leggy and slow , and when good players like john donnelly loses his first touch it speaks volumes of what the team have been doing

    its 6 weeks to the game in galway in the championship , i imagine the performance will be much better but its all about the importance of wining leinster getting that semi final spot and getting over the line again, you dont go from being 2 points away from an all ireland final to today without a reason behind it



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,784 ✭✭✭kk.man


    I'd prefer to not get out of leinster than being 2pts off an all ireland. It might sharpen a few minds and attitudes. How many all ireland semis and finals have we contested since 2015? What good did that do us.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,897 ✭✭✭windy shepard henderson


    it seems the route that the management want to take going on today , and lets face it if the team knew they were only 2 points down rather then 3 last year they probably wouldnt have spent 4 minutes going for goals

    it also says bad and all things are in kilkenny they are still top 3 in the country consistently, which is a pretty good starting point going into a championship given the explosion of money in munster , clare tipp and cork have pumped some amount of money into their sides under age coaching ,adult coaching ,inter county teams ect.. to compete with an ex man united owner financing limerick

    and the money side of things has changed the game big time since 2015 , for example corks sports psychologist missed one game in last years championship , the all ireland final because he was tied up with the lions tour , that was a crucial loss as it turned out



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 88 ✭✭Imeall an cearnóg




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 292 ✭✭therealdonster


    What a ridiculous, idiotic statement. We lost three finals in that time, some you win, some you lose. Lots of overreaction here tonight, as to be expected but let's not lose all leave of ourselves. Yes, it was a disastrous performance and suggests the new coaching team have made no impact, at least not in a positive direction. This year has been pretty underwhelming so far to say the least.

    But as has been pointed out its 6 weeks(an eternity in modern championship) to another lash at Galway so we will know a lot about where we are going after tthat. I can guarantee we won't be as listless in that one and we got a good glimpse of what Galway are all about too tonight. The match V Tipp in two weeks will be a good barometer on whether we have recovered mentally or not.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,784 ✭✭✭kk.man


    Very easy to get into all ireland series from leinster after tonight's result that might be unachievable. If kk were in Munster the last 10 years you wouldn't be sighting us in the top three in any year. Leinster is merely masking our true ranking.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,784 ✭✭✭kk.man


    Its not a ridiculous statement, you have to lose an all ireland to win one, we lost far too many in that period without having won one.

    Firstly the new format means teams at a good place in the latter stage in the league do well in championship.

    Secondly tipp are no barometer for us at the moment as any tipp fan.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,897 ✭✭✭windy shepard henderson


    tonights result doesn't count , the way teams approach the championship is the same way as olympic athletes approach the olympics , tonight was a diamond league meeting in lausanne compared to the main event later in the year



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,134 ✭✭✭conor05


    It took Kerry from 2014 to 2022 to adopt and they needed outsider help, they always had the footballers.

    You see Kiely with Kinnerk and Kinnerk only, yes Limerick have a big back room team but Kinnerk is his right hand man.


    Who is Lyngs go to guy who is putting their coaching stamp on this team?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 326 ✭✭jack747


    Is mackessey still on the kk panel ?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 468 ✭✭Alonzo Moseley


    Have you a shred of evidence to support your claim that Kierans "poach players from other schools"? We are a very small populous county, so we will never have more than 2/3 strong hurling schools despite being a hurling stronghold.

    On a **** day for our senior team, Kierans eptitomised everything that we associate with Kilkenny hurling.

    And look up your hurling history if you think senior success is uncorrelated with schools sucess.

    Laying the blame for lack of senior IC success with Kierans is well wide of the mark.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,897 ✭✭✭windy shepard henderson


    kinerek is the best around fair enough but its not necessarily what's needed , what limerick have changed is not just the coach but the sports scientist , the phycologist and more importantly the development route from schools level/minor level to senior level, the amount of money pumped into this level of the game is huge in munster in the last five years but its all about getting the best players through ,and again the certain type of player , that lad Fitzgerald tonight played on a poor limerick underage team at 20s level but the coaching structure was not about results at that level but to get players like him through to senior

    clare are doing the same , the likes of tulla or st flannans are only one facet of bringing players through now , the development squads are a huge part of it and its almost run professionally , st keirans were mentioned above , but what happens a kilkenny player after kierans for example



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 371 ✭✭Slates


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,518 ✭✭✭Billy Ocean


    Donagh Murphy of MLR who won a Croke Cup in 2023 was poached from Borris Community School, can't comment on the teams since then.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,109 ✭✭✭Conversations 3


    It's hard to know what to make of tonight, we have great players but they're not playing as a team.

    That's up to the management to get them to gel together as a unit

    It seems there's no one to lead the team, a true sync between management and players to drive them on.

    A leader needs to stand up and take responsibility and grab a game by the scruff of the neck and bury it home.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,109 ✭✭✭Conversations 3


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    If that doesn't raise alarm bells we may give up.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3 black n whitenamber


    In fairness to the young men concerned I'll not name names. But you might find enlightenment - if you are open minded -by looking at where the players are from on recent winning SKC teams. Some of them would have a fair old walk to school.

    You ask for evidence on one hand but provide none to back up your link betwen colleges success and senior All Irelands. I know SKC have won more Croke cups in the last 10 years than we've won Senior All Irelands.

    There may have been some links in the past but that is ancient history now. Totally irrelevant. The only thing I take from hurling history is that innovators dominate. We used to innovate e.g. Fr T Maher and early to mid B Cody eras, and earned the success that came from that.

    I'd prefer if SKC was back innovating and developing talent rather than curating underage fantasy hurling teams.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 194 ✭✭red_diesel


    Anyone remember the 2012 Leinster final? I also remember Down beating us in Nowlan Park in the 90's to relegate us. It's a league match in March. Let's see how we get on for the rest of the season.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,645 ✭✭✭awaywithyou


    Huw lawlor is some loss to KK.. tis only when he is not playing one sees how unbelievably good he was....

    Eoin cody doesnt look a bit interested at the moment...

    KK havent the same quality/standard of player that they had 15years ago..

    Someone said something about county board.. underage structures.. development squads not being upto scratch... i remember back in the early 2000's KK had the BEST underage structures in the country.. other counties went to KK to see how they were doing things..

    Finally where is Mackessy? He would strengthen the HB line big time



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,614 ✭✭✭Charlie69


    Thats true but you’d have to be concerned after last nights total capitulation. Some might say I’m joining in with the overreaction to it but it’s hard not to feel like all might not be well in the camp. The performance itself was worrying enough, a new coaching team in place and still no real improvement, no apparent game plan, structure or any kind of method to what the team is trying to do. Same mistakes being repeated over and over on puck outs , delivery into the forwards, chance creation …etc.

    But the real worry for me is there just seems to be something off about the whole setup. The body language on the pitch didn’t look right and the energy that we’d normally associate with Kilkenny just wasn’t there.

    Looking at the wider picture two of our most important players heading off travelling while still very much in their prime does raise questions. That kind of thing can happen for plenty of reasons of course and nobody outside the panel truly knows what’s going on, but you can’t help wondering if that would happen if everything in the camp was positive and settled. ( would it happen in Limerick or Cork at the moment?)

    To be clear I’m not saying there’s definitely an issue with management or any unrest among the players. But between the flat performance yesterday and some of the developments around the panel recently, it does make you feel like something isn’t quite right.

    I could be totally way off and recent performances could be a blip and down to illness to important players, heavy training and trying to develop a new style of hurling which can take time but for me I’m just concerned that all might not be as settled as we’d like it to be.



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