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Clampdown on TV 'Dodgy Boxes'

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,419 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,085 ✭✭✭Rocket_GD


    I said essentially free. Broadband is €35p/m adding tv and Netflix it was €50p/m. Netflix costs €11 for the basic package so in essence the tv is €4 a month, not free but hardly a massive expense.

    We mainly use the firestick on the main tv but handy to have tv on a second screen in the house.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,798 ✭✭✭Quitelife


    Why is SKY so dear should be the question ?
    Paying soccer powers Billions is why so they can pay Soccer players millions each year .. reduce how much they pay premier league etc , charge people reasonable amounts and there would be no need for dodgy box’s …



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,419 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    never gonna happen, rock on folks with the dodginess



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 266 ✭✭rayman10


    There is so much available on the dodgy box you may as well have one. So even if Sky reduced prices people mightn't bother signing up

    You can also bring your dodgy box around with and I presume it works on foreign holidays etc.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,600 ✭✭✭Dr Robert


    Sky could reduce to €5 per month and it still wouldn't be on par. It's an outdated model.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 70 ✭✭TenBeers


    Try and read the post again and see if you get it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,085 ✭✭✭Rocket_GD


    You believe that the HSE are helping to keep SKY afloat based on walking by some houses.

    It's a mental take.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,600 ✭✭✭Dr Robert


    Congratulations.

    This is the most ridiculous thing I've read on the internet today.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,660 ✭✭✭lee_baby_simms




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,070 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    And the Indo had a 2nd Weckler piece online now.

    2 in 1 day! They are really ramping it up.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,726 ✭✭✭Benedict XVI


    If it is an outdated model, what is the new model ?

    And be realistic, no every game for €10 a month stuff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,419 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,699 ✭✭✭jmcc


    Behind a paywall where most people won't see it. Terrible irony that. :)

    Regards…jmcc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,416 ✭✭✭NATLOR


    There isn't one . Anyone that's thinks there is or will be is deluded

    Comparing an illegal service with little to no costs against any of the large media networks is lunacy .

    The argument that they are overpriced is irrelevant. There are no illegal streamers / box users that are voluntarily moving away even if the current prices were cut in half ( myself included)

    If you are doing IPTV properly with a decent service and box you know how good it is and nothing is moving you off that

    and anyone that think the prices should or will be matched is an idiot



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,671 ✭✭✭✭Boggles




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,047 ✭✭✭yosser hughes


    I assume Sky are paying the indo/Weckler for these pieces? Adrian is not a journalist if that's the case. He's in PR



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,070 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    Not sure if there is any financial gain in it for Weckler, but I dont see why he talks about the boxes so often?

    Perhaps its just cheap content for him, saved him having to do other research? After all, he is a technology columnist, so he has to write about something every day or week or however he has to submit articles. Its no skin off his nose if people are using dodgy boxes as he calls them. Its not costing him anything. But it would appear he is being encouraged to write constant articles about them, either by his boss or by sky, or maybe both.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,508 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    Is there any evidence that Sky are paying him?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,699 ✭✭✭jmcc


    It is the whole Phil Space/Polly Filla thing in journalism. Publications and broadcaster need to fill space and dead air. Sky and the broadcasters consider that they are losing money to dodgybox operations and viewing habits have changed.

    Sky used to have a gatekeeper position (effectively a monopoly) on Pay TV. That changed about 20 years ago with the rollout of broadband. There is now more competition from services like Netflix and Amazon. Above all, viewing habits have changed from synchonous viewing (watching a programme when it is broadcast) to asynchronous viewing (watching a programme when the person wants to watch it). That had started with the advent of the VCR, gathered pace with DVRs and almost overwhelmed broadcasters with the rise of the streaming services.

    NOW TV was an attempt to adjust to this new reality and also to package programming in a way that would appeal to people who don't want a subscription where they do not an cannot watch all programmes.

    The other part of this is that dodgyboxes provide an evergreen "story" for journalists. After a while, journalists who know less about Technology begin to think of journalists like Weckler as being expert on the subject. (I don't consider him an expert on piracy.) Thus he gets invited on to radio and TV shows to talk about the terrible threat from dodgyboxes.

    The broadcaster angle is that they are big advertisers and feeding journalists with press releases helps their position. It may even convince some people not to use dodgyboxes. If it does, it is a win for the Sky and others. If it does not, it still keeps the subject in the media.

    What is generally missing from the scare stories about dodgyboxes and streaming is the scale of the issue in comparison to the numbers of subscribers of the affected broadcasters. Some broadcasters measure their subscriber base in millions. The post above shows a few hundred dodgybox customers having their service knocked out.

    The sources of the "figures" about visits tp pirate websites seem to be unreliable at best considering the difficulties of monitoring such visits and determining if they convert into an action such as subscribing or watching. Big numbers generate big headlines. And where the broadcasters are concerned, it is a propaganda war to convince people not to use dodgyboxes.

    Post edited by jmcc on

    Regards…jmcc



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,508 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    400,000 households breaking the law is worthy of being reported. The information that came out today is new, the decrease in legal subscriptions. Newstalk is going for the League of Ireland angle, half of those watching now are not paying.

    https://www.newstalk.com/news/dodgy-boxes-4-2239242



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,699 ✭✭✭jmcc


    Where are the statistics (hard data) to back up Weckler's claims?

    Regards…jmcc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,508 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    Self reported by those who took part in the Survey. See post #5660.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,699 ✭✭✭jmcc


    400K out of a survey of 3K? The article is behind a paywall. Perhaps you'd be good enough to explain those figures (and why Netflix/Prime/Disney figures remained quite stable) as you explained those of MUSO?

    Regards…jmcc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,508 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    The people on this thread are in the know. They often express the opinion that the Sky model is dead, and that piracy will keep increasing. Do you think they are wrong?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,726 ✭✭✭Benedict XVI


    I'm guessing the answer to the LOI concern is.

    "F**k ye, ye should sell it cheaper"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,699 ✭✭✭jmcc


    No answer to the question about data on dodgybox usage? What a surprise!

    Regards…jmcc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,699 ✭✭✭jmcc


    One reason for the change in subscription figures for legacy broadcasters is that there is a post-COVID pandemic change in viewing habits and a shift away from the traditional synchornous viewing. This possibility doesn't fit with the doom-laden dodgybox propaganda.

    Regards…jmcc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,813 ✭✭✭Manc-Red_


    SKY- As previously posted, other than the silly over the top pricing, the issue for me and lots of previous subscribers is you can easily subscribe via their app or webpage and when you want to sever a tier or say leave them all together - it’s bloody well hard and takes ages on the phone to do so.

    I’ve had other subscription cards for sport like ART Arabia, Digitalb Albania …… C+ France - that were paid in advance for a year at a set cost for Sport only and that was fine.

    Sky now are lugging behind the pre-pay monthly option not because of the “bogey box” - it’s because people want ease of withdrawal from a service without silly phonecalls that take an hour to someone in Timbuktu that never seems to go right.

    To be fair on Sky, their NOW TV packs are fine and again - you can order what you require and stop when you want.

    I wouldn’t have to much pity on a a retro system that takes the pi*s out of their current subscribers and only puts on their bs smile to get new customers or get old ones back.

    Pre-Pay monthly or yearly is the way forward and if they don’t - the majority of normal people will turn to “bogey boxes” more and more & hit the road on Sky for good.

    Better Born Lucky Than Rich.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,609 ✭✭✭NewClareman


    One topic I see little discussion of is the risks of malware infection, due to 'Dodgy Boxes'. If it is mentioned, it is dismissed as scaremongering. (There is even an incorrect belief that it doesn't matter if the device is 'only plugged into the TV'.) It could turn out to be an expensive misconception.

    Try searching for 'malware in modified Android TV devices' to get an idea of the scale of the problem. Then search for 'Banking Trojans in modified Android TV devices' to see the advances in the threat level.



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