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US/Israel conduct airstrikes on Iran again

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 12,189 ✭✭✭✭J Mysterio




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 975 ✭✭✭BettyS


    Imagine, when you open the Journal on Saturday and you see the following story:

    The young child of a local drug-lord, who was standing quietly in the corner, is killed, in the dispute, by one of the neighbours in the area. Should our judicial system just punish the parent of the child? Should the person who killed the child (whether or not they intended to is unclear) be absolved of any blame? Could you imagine the outrage!!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,623 ✭✭✭sock.rocker*


    Israel supported Hamas for years and were warned of the attacks. That's not even a conspiracy theory, it's just hard to deal with. They had complete control over the Gaza strip and since then have shown jaw dropping levels of intelligence on Hezbollah and Iran.

    They played with fire supporting Hamas to prevent a Palestinian state and they are far more culpable than Iran for October 7th.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,093 ✭✭✭conorhal


    So no answer than, is Iran's nuclear ambition worth those lives?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,283 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    I don’t think it is. There are many people who are fully supportive of what the U.S. is doing here, but that doesn’t mean they see nothing wrong with parts of the damage and carnage.

    The poster made points about Iran’s responsibility on the world stage regarding what is happening at present. Doesn’t mean he/she thinks that everything that happens to Iranians now is cool/ok/grand.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,279 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo


    Yet you dismiss the idea that the USA intended to stike the school precisely because it was a school because you can see no logical reason for the USA to do so. I can see no logical reason for the USA to attack Iran but they did



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 693 ✭✭✭Lawlesz


    But yet you have spent days in this thread and the Gaza thread absolving them of virtually any blame.

    You seem to have shown up here recently posting prolifically in both threads, most of which is unsubstantiated nonsense. Virtually all of your talking points have already been discussed and debunked if you had just taken the time to read back a few pages.

    I am genuinely amazed at the confidence you show in your posts, given how wide of the mark you are. Several posters have left links, hoping to educate you but clearly you haven’t even bothered to read them.

    A couple of days ago when someone asked why Israel continued their land grabbing, you replied with “Israel left Gaza 20 years ago”. That answer in and of itself displays your complete lack of knowledge on the subject. That same point has been put to you several times since and you haven’t actually addressed it, you’ve just continued to double down.

    You really ought to do some reading, and educate yourself on what you’re talking about. Then people might take your posts seriously.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 975 ✭✭✭BettyS


    Answer me: how does the slaughter of those children’s lives yesterday prevent the nuclear ambition? What is the direct link? How did slaughtering those children directly stop the nuclear ambition? And if not, then what was the function of murdering those children??!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,283 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Personally I think what the U.S. and Israel are doing here is very wrong, but if I were to give advice to Iranians, it would be to placate, acquiesce and negotiate your way out of this. The U.S. and Israel don't really care how many Iranians suffer here, but you, Iran, absolutely should.

    You cannot really compete against the power of these two, and these two won't stop until they feel that they have caused maximum damage! Live to fight another day, and live to try and ease any more suffering.

    I think anyone advising Iranians to dig in, resist, and do what they want here isn't really caring about the plight they are in



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,085 ✭✭✭Rocket_GD


    They were in negotiations with the US, then Israel bombed them and the US followed in.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,279 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,217 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Jaysus. Nope, you answered none of them. There were 4, you answered 0. I even sent you a reminder.

    Here they are again.

    Israel/Palestine Thread - Page 1946 — boards.ie - Now Ye're Talkin'

    And no, you are wrong. It was foreign aid agencies that helped Gaza with electricity and water. Israel did their best to cause fuel shortages, blackouts and water shortages as part of their illegal blockade. The Gaza Power Plant was attacked by the IDF in 2014 ffs. Honestly you haven't a clue. Credibility, zero.

    Post edited by Cluedo Monopoly on

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 975 ✭✭✭BettyS


    Iran subscribed to the JCPOA in 2015:


    “signed in 2015 by the United States and Iran as well as China, Russia, France, Germany and the United Kingdom.

    Under the deal, Iran agreed to refrain from pursuing nuclear weapons and to allow continuous monitoring of its compliance in exchange for relief from economic sanctions. Different parts of the agreement were scheduled to last between 10 and 25 years; some elements were to last indefinitely. Obama officials hoped for future renegotiations.

    Iran agreed to relinquish 97% of its enriched uranium stockpile and 70% of its centrifuges, which are machines used to enrich uranium. It also agreed to stop plutonium production and to dismantle a plutonium reactor. If Iran broke any of these pledges, the other signatories would be able to reimpose sanctions, a process known as a "snapback" provision.”

    They played by the rules and then the US decided in 2018, to unilaterally withdraw from JCPOA, deleting it in line with the Maximal pressures campaign. Rouhani, Theresa May, Emmanuel Macron, Angela Merkel and EU foreign policy chief, Fedricq Mogherini said the agreement was working well and that no one country could break it, reconfirming support for the deal. Russian foreign minister Sergey Lavrov confirmed that Iran was in compliance. In October 2025, after the June 2025 Iran-Israel war, Iran withdrew.

    The Iranian regimen may see no incentive to playing by the rules, based on past precedent. And killing innocent children certain won’t foster goodwill in the negotiations. Iran may look to North Korea and see that this country is left in peace. Cooperation and mutual accords will prevent a nuclear programme, not bombing schools



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,128 ✭✭✭Homelander


    There are reasons though, I can't pretend to know what they are, but just because we're in the dark, doesn't mean there isn't logic there - however misguided, self-serving or wrong - for the people making those decisions.

    Depending on who you ask it swings from putting Iran back in a box for a few decades after destroying their proxy network and ballistic missile capability, to distracting from the stink of the Epstein files on Trump.

    I have no idea what the internal logic of Trump and his cabal are, but I doubt the short, medium or long term strategic discussion was "**** it, let's attack Iran for the hell of it".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,354 ✭✭✭aidanodr


    How the tables have turned:

    US requesting Ukraines help to take down Iran drones. Ukraine has developed far cheaper and effective interceptor drones costing about $20k each to make vs Patriots at over $1m each.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 975 ✭✭✭BettyS


    The scary thing is that people have fallen into the fallacy of simple solutions for complex problems. Keep it simple, stupid does not apply here. I hope that they have not underestimated the complexity of the task they wish to achieve and the level of destruction for all parties. How can you weigh up the value of a strategy against other, non-interventionalist options, if you have grossly underestimated the destruction of the intervention.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,617 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Seems the penny has dropped even with Merz that what the two gangster states are up to is incredibly dangerous for global peace:



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,204 ✭✭✭Ardillaun




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,204 ✭✭✭Ardillaun


    I guess this is as close to an admission as we will see for a while:

    At least they didn’t lie about it all the way through the war in typical Israeli fashion.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 975 ✭✭✭BettyS


    they should send JD Vance to the negotiations. It is proof why you should always be careful who you piss off on the way up, because you don’t know when you will be seeing them on the way down



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 988 ✭✭✭vswr


    B1 Bombers into RAF Fairford



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 432 ✭✭malibu4u


    Wrong. Before Oct 7th. Israel supplied roughly 120 MW of electricity (10 lines) to Gaza and operated the Mekorot water line, which provided a major part of the territory's drinking water.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,217 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Not nearly enough and they were an occupying power. They sold it by the way. After 2005 they tortured Gazans with restrictions on basic utilities. Why won't you answer the 4 questions? I sent you a link. Let's start at the beginning (The Blockade of Gaza) before you move any more goalposts.

    Here you go (4th time asking)

    Israel/Palestine Thread - Page 1946 — boards.ie - Now Ye're Talkin'

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 432 ✭✭malibu4u


    I answered your silly question already. You did not answer mine.

    A quick Google " did israel supply water and electricity to Gaza" tells you they did before the Hamas attacks of Oct 7th.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,354 ✭✭✭aidanodr


    And add this also:

    russia iran.jpg

    Will this change the donalds tune toward Ukraine.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,085 ✭✭✭Rocket_GD




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,217 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    5th attempt. Here they are.

    Israel/Palestine Thread - Page 1946 — boards.ie - Now Ye're Talkin'

    2010 - The International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) says the critical issue facing Gaza's medical facilities is the lack of medicines, medical equipment and an acute electricity crisis. "The power supply in Gaza is interrupted for seven hours a day on average. The consequences for public services, especially the primary health-care system, are devastating," it said in a 14 June statement, adding that hospital fuel reserves for generators kept drying up.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 432 ✭✭malibu4u


    Does not seem to have much results yet anyway. But not surprising as Iran was well known for helping Russians military in Ukraine, another reason the USA attacked Iran.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,628 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    The comments today from the Iranian president would suggest the Iranian leadership( whatever is left of it) are looking for a way out. I could be wrong but i have a feeling this all might not go on for too much longer. The Qatari foreign minister in the FT has warned if the war doesn't end soon the world economy is in big trouble. He stated even if it ended today there will be severe economic impacts due to the strike on their gas plant.



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  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 8,113 Mod ✭✭✭✭circadian


    I would agree but neither the US or Israel are interested in negotiating in good faith. Irans tactic of hitting the Gulf States, destabilising them and destroying the petrodollar appears to be a well thought out strategy.

    Then you get into asymmetry, the cost of stopping their drones and rockets is 5-10x the cost of producing the Iranian weapons. Then we have the migration of basic manufacturing to China from the US which has a knock on effect on their ability to scale up and produce more weaponry compared to Iran.

    It seems that Trump and co have not thought this out and if things keep going they'll destroy their own economy and the global economy with it. Their only real option to win the war they started, which will make things worse in the long run, is to drop nukes.



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