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US/Israel conduct airstrikes on Iran again

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,282 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    But the very fact that the U.S. and Israel are in Iran blowing sh1t up for no real reasons other than they can, will be the reason these tragedies occur. They have gone on the very aggressive offensive here when it absolutely is not needed or justified. We have all these weapons, Iranians we don't like, Iranians that some other Iranians don't like……this is pretty much it



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 975 ✭✭✭BettyS


    helen lovejoy level of handwringing…. Dead bodies of children, who never had a chance at life, who are innocent, lowered into the cold soil. Children who were loved dearly by parents, full of hopes and dreams. I will take it that you have never met the parents of a sick child. You cannot imagine their anguish. I hope that you never have to face the absolute devastation of a dead child. Families never recover.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,180 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    Reminds me of the people who point to the maternity ward at Auswitch when denying the genocide.

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,623 ✭✭✭sock.rocker*


    We had the same shlte in the Gaza thread. People calling strikes on hospitals fake news, then they were in the carpark, then they were actually on the hospital but there were tunnels underneath, and a couple of weeks later, just complete defence of bombing anything and anyone.

    They have no idea of the level of inhumanity they are being radicalised towards. It's just a slope towards the abyss and they hop on and eat up whatever Israeli intelligence pumps out across the internet and world's media.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,671 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    As of early 2026, the education system in Gaza has faced near-total destruction, with UN agencies reporting that over 90% to 97% of school buildings have been damaged or destroyed due to the ongoing conflict

    I would say with some certainly it was an intended strike. It was treble tapped.

    If there was even a sniff of a high profile target anywhere near it, there will be no second thought given to murdering scores of children.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,437 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Foreign policy on the weapons used for both offence and defence on both sides during the first 36 hours of the conflict. Estimated time to replace and the materials used to replace them.

    https://archive.is/FtXWT

    The old world is dying, and the new world struggles to be born: now is the time of monsters. — Antonio Gramsci



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,775 ✭✭✭.Donegal.


    Well it’s great to know you have insider scoop to know it’s just a tragedy even after the secretary for war said they’re not following “stupid rules of engagement” . That’ll be great comfort to the parents of their kids blown to bits to know it’s not “terrorism” because the good guys blew them up and didn’t follow stupid rules of engagement. That totally absolves them. Did you ever listen to yourself? Embarrassing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,128 ✭✭✭Homelander


    The strike might have been intended, but without knowledge it was operating as a school.

    It may have been an inaccurate strike.

    It could have been a failed Iranian missile launch.

    I am not privy to the circumstances around the strike.

    But I don't see any logical reason to believe that the US would blow up a school just for the sake of blowing up a school in the first wave of strikes on conventional military targets, leadership, police/regime infrastructure, etc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,085 ✭✭✭Rocket_GD


    It could have been a failed Iranian missile launch.

    You're still going with this line?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,612 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    They are being 'Israelised' by the terrorist state. Israel has normalised war crimes and the idea of right wing keyboard warriors defending such war crimes - none of this is happening in a vaccuum.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 975 ✭✭✭BettyS


    if you were a doctor, there is a series of safety processes to ensure that wrong-sided surgery is a never-event. They understand the consequence of getting it wrong. If they operate on the wrong-side, there is a massive investigation and that surgeon will face terrible consequences. How can a strike on a school be a whoopsie?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,133 ✭✭✭keeponhurling


    Seems Trump is now even sharing script writers with Putin.

    An unconditional surrender by the US will also end the war. Am I doing this right ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 432 ✭✭malibu4u




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 975 ✭✭✭BettyS


    He thinks that every country is subordinate to the «U» «S» f***ing «A». Amiright!!!!

    Cause, in his world, it is all about money. And everything is for sale. And the US is rich, super rich. And these countries are poor. He doesn’t realise that for many, money is not the main motivator



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,775 ✭✭✭.Donegal.


    But I thought it was about freeing the Iranian people? Apparently not? Dictators welcome as long as you’re a lap dog for Israel

    The president said he isn't worried about Iran being a democracy, saying the leader should be "fair and just, do a great job, treat the United States and Israel well."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 432 ✭✭malibu4u


    I answered all your questions. And yes, Israel did supply some electricity and water to Gaza pre Oct 7th. Despite the fact occasionally some people in Gaza were attacking Israel, firing rockets etc pre Oct. 7th.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,093 ✭✭✭conorhal


    Well I'll just have to hope that Ireland doesnt take a turn towards whackjob fundie and start developing a nuclear programme while threatening to rain fire on every neighbouring nation so. Perhaps Iran should have had the decency to spare it's citizens an ugly war and abandon its nuclear ambitions and, you know, 'think of it's children'.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,128 ✭✭✭Homelander


    I'm not "throwing my lot in" with anyone. I happen to have an opinion of my own, sometimes it aligns with other people, sometimes not, but it's not a team sport to me, there are no allegiances to any particular "side" like so many try to make it here.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 432 ✭✭malibu4u


    Not much comparison. About 30 babies lived in Auchwitz, while millions of people died. In Gaza the population increased by about 700,000 in 20 years.

    On the radio now the Americans are calling for the "unconditional surrender" of Iran.

    Same as the surrender the Japanese made to the Americans in 1945.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 13,592 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    There was an IRGC target nearby, apparently.

    I can't see any reason for the school itself to be a target. It does appear, to me at least, to be a horrendous error.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,623 ✭✭✭sock.rocker*


    The missiles for certain hit their target but it's been a school for ten years and was part of a base before that.

    It's just completely irresponsible to start massive strikes during the day with intel that old. I get why posters who support Israel want to say it's just a part of war but it's conorhal's comments that are beyond redemption. You can't just bomb schools with bad information and then casually claim it's a part of war and that anyone who takes issue with it is being naive and exaggerating and pretending.

    The US knew immediately what they did. They have the location, they have their records. They were the ones wringing their hands, not us here appalled by another brutal loss of life, during negotiations no less. I have no doubt Israel knew this has been turned into a school but seeing their form in Gaza etc., I reckon they kept it to themselves and let America conduct the massacre. Ultimately, the responsibility still lies with America for bombing a school full of children with perfect accuracy.

    I guess the next talking point these lads will take up is that Iran changed it into a school in 2016 on purpose to create a moral outrage if it were bombed. Or Iran should have shared up to date maps. Or there were tunnels and a command centre underneath the school. Whatever works for them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,085 ✭✭✭Rocket_GD


    They supplied some electricity and water and you think this deserves praise?

    It is not their land, they should not be in control of water, electricity or anything for Gaza, if they are then they are essentially an occupying force. You've disproved your own argument.

    Did you look at the link I sent you which showed Palestinian deaths pre Oct 7th?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 975 ✭✭✭BettyS


    And what did the children of Palestine who have been killed do to deserve their fate? Palestine is certainly in no condition to develop nuclear weapons.
    Children of all creeds and origins are beautiful and should be protected at all costs. Punishing people by attacking a school in the first instance, does not help to stop the nuclear programmes. Were those children responsible? I believe that the morality of a decision is defined by its intention.

    What is the intention behind striking a school? Please do explain.

    May you never face the raw grief of a bereaved parent. The screams will haunt you to your dying day. I cannot believe that anybody would wish this on their worst enemy



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,128 ✭✭✭Homelander


    But doctors do make mistakes all the time, do they not? And people die.

    This is the point - mistakes, terrible mistakes, do happen. This is life and it's unavoidable.

    That is not justification, it's reality.

    I'm not going with any line, the point was to say that we have no idea of the circumstances under which the school was struck.

    If you want to ignore the rest of my post - where I quite clearly said it could have been a bad US strike - and isolate a single line that suits your narrative that that's my only line of logic, nothing I can do about that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,085 ✭✭✭Rocket_GD


    We had posters on here questioning why they were in school on a Saturday.

    They haven't a clue and don't care, they just hoped that it was a "failed Iranian missile" as their think tank told them it could be.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 975 ✭✭✭BettyS


    Look up a never-event. It is a specific term. These are things in healthcare that should never happen, if the correct processes are followed. They are certainly not common occurrences in healthcare. Hundreds of thousands of operations are performed in Ireland. Ask yourself when is the last time you heard of somebody who was operated on the wrong side. There is a process of open-disclosure for the victim and there are serious sanctions for the surgeon. Where is the apology or acknowledgement of responsibility for those Iranian kids?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,623 ✭✭✭sock.rocker*


    I guess the reason to sit on being responsible for so long is to give time for those other narratives to percolate through and reach your supporters who will never think of it again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,688 ✭✭✭yagan


    It reminds me of all the British apologists saying they bought coarse Indian grain for the starving, while ignoring the wheat exports from Ireland to Britain.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,093 ✭✭✭conorhal


    Well Iran bares no small responsibility for that too, given that they were elbow deep in the planning and logistics of the Oct 7th attacks, perhaps if Iran cherished children as much as you do there would be a lot less dead children in a conflict that you appear to apportion no blame for on the people responsible, the Iranian government. Were all those dead children worth it for Iran's nuclear ambition?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,282 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Logical and sensible points. I’d be very surprised if the strike was deliberate, and with the knowledge that the target was nothing more than a school with children in it!!!



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