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National Broadband Ireland : implementation and progress

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7 maoidemor


    Yes, I think there is a misunderstanding there, hence my original question as to how to go about how to get to chat to someone in NBI. Previous communication with NBI has not been very satisfactory. The man I chatted to from Digiweb was apologetic but not terribly helpful, saying this is what it is.

    Will try and contact NBI again tomorrow.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 34,888 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    I'm not sure, I suspect you need a survey engineer. They may have been deployed for the first one to next door and conflate that to yours. Id say get back to digiweb perhaps and get more clarity they can contact NBI.

    Unless someone has a contact method ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,446 ✭✭✭NotShero


    As The Cush has mentioned you can send them a DM on Facebook/Instagram. Their email address is - contactus@nbi.ie

    Here's some other options you could maybe try -

    National Broadband Plan Customer Service -

    broadband@css.gov.ie

    broadband@dccae.gov.ie

    Or maybe you could get in contact with your local Broadband Officer -

    https://www.gov.ie/en/department-of-rural-and-community-development-and-the-gaeltacht/publications/broadband-officers-contact-list/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7 maoidemor


    NBI are going to send engineer out again.

    I was mistaken, the ducting already there is 14/10 microduct, don't think we can fit another fiber cable in it unfortunately.

    Anyone know what size hydrodare / water pipe I have to use if I have to do this myself?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,735 ✭✭✭The Continental Op


    800m is a very long way to duct a cable. You will need some access points in between. Its possible that the 14/10 micro duct had the fibre cable preinstalled?

    The longer the run between access points the bigger the diameter of cable you need. Friction builds up very quickly as length increases in narrow ducting. If you used 1/2 inch standard hydrodare I'd be surprised if you'd get 100m before things get very difficult. Don't forget its the installer that will have to run the fibre.

    But check with the NBI they must have solutions that cover your situation.

    Wake me up when it's all over.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,493 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    A roll of drop cable is 500m, so for 800m maybe an additional DP will be required.

    That fibre run should be part of the main trunk fibre rollout and covered under the rollout subsidy and not treated separately as a 800m connection run.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,875 ✭✭✭pureza


    please keep us posted as I have possibly a 480 metre underground cable run for them to do OR they can put up 2 new poles (instead of 10) to run the cable up to a 400 metre+ row of poles along a hedge where the original Éir phone line came in

    @The Cush which option do you think they would go for?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,493 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    Impossible to say.

    Is there existing eircom poles in place? Are additional poles required. Existing good poles in place means a cheaper install cost. Will tree branches have to be cut back along the route?

    A pole costs €600 approx with a 30 year life expectancy.

    A 400m run will probably require 6 poles, at a 50m spacing, depending of course on a clear cable run between DP and house



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,875 ✭✭✭pureza




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7 maoidemor


    Besides the quote of a €7500 contribution for 750m of surface ducting, they also gave me an option of 14 poles and ancillary works for a contribution of €1023. Problem is it is running through a wood, mature oak and beech etc, I know from past experience line would regularly get destroyed by falling branches and trees, and branches also need trimming every couple of years. Not really a viable option.

    If my wireless provider can't improve the situation, and fibre is going to be too expensive, very tempted to get starlink.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,735 ✭✭✭The Continental Op


    If you aren't a gamer you are not going to notice the difference between Starlink and Fibre. tbh I think my Starlink connection was a little faster when it comes to browsing and thats compared to vodafone 1GB fibre.

    Wake me up when it's all over.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 34,888 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    Very true you don't notice if you just use it for searching the web.

    Your starlink however couldn't possibly have been faster for browsing. This will be a Vodafone router issue not the fibre line.

    My 1gb EIR line over my own routers is lightning fast. You could flick Instagram reels for example at a constant pace and they will still load without judder. Impossible on the starlink.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 263 ✭✭robbiep958


    Does anyone know typically how long it takes to go from a pre-order to a order (ready for connection). My area is down as pre-order since the 30th of January and im still waiting to get connected.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,915 ✭✭✭Bummer1234


    In my area once it went pre-order at the end of September, I was installed and up and running in Mid november.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,493 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    Pre-order can be up to 90 days prior to going live



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 75,476 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    It was basically 9 months to the day for me.

    On an island, admittedly!



  • Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 3,983 Mod ✭✭✭✭eeloe


    I went available to pre order on Jan 2nd this year, pre ordered that day, and i was installed and up and running around the end of Feb.

    No complaints since.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 263 ✭✭robbiep958


    Thankfully since my question today a guy came in some KN van and ran a cable from the black box on the pole to the house, now all i have to wait for is the technician to come and install it indoors which will be soon



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 75,476 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    My NBI Airwave Fritzbox resets the Wifi SSID but not the password to the Airwave preconfigured name after a power cut. Not after a brief reset, but only a full lengthy power outage

    This knocks off all my monitoring kit in the house

    Anyone any ideas wtf is going on?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,735 ✭✭✭The Continental Op


    I've had that with other devices if the power cycles a few times in the time it takes a box to reboot.

    I'm going to state the obvious if its a reoccurring problem then get a UPS.

    Wake me up when it's all over.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 75,476 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    A full reset would make sense if a device is susceptible to that; but it is retaining the WPA2 key I set.

    None of the previous 4G routers I had here - Huawei, ASUS, TPLink - ever had issues with unstable power either. Fritz kit may be rather overrated; I'll look at replacing it with an ASUS which will probably cost less than a decent UPS!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,527 ✭✭✭Glaceon


    I've used Fritz kit for years but have never seen that happen. Can't explain what's going on though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,735 ✭✭✭The Continental Op


    If you have the config saved then why not test it by switching it on and off quickly a few times. Although a power outage can be worse with the voltage not always dropping off completely adding another variable.

    Wake me up when it's all over.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 75,476 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Airwave were resetting the SSID using some form of config command… they've changed that now!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7 maoidemor


    An update: a slight miscommunication, NBI now say they will send out engineer once I have the ducting all done.

    Priced up some 50mm hydrodare ducting, it's not cheap for 750 meters. And rent of a minidigger on top of that.

    Feel a bit let down by NBI, next door neighbour got fibre totally for free, they knew we were looking for it and should have laid bigger ducting. Bah. Ordered since last July, bored of waiting.

    Anyway, Starlink arrived in the post this morning. Up and running in 10 minutes, looks like it will suit us perfectly, had the 2 tv's streaming, son doing some big playstation downloads and daughter doomscrolling, everyone saying how much quicker and very little lag/congestion.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,446 ✭✭✭NotShero


    I'd get in touch with the NBP and your local Broadband Officer to see if something could be done -

    broadband@css.gov.ie

    broadband@dccae.gov.ie

    https://www.gov.ie/en/department-of-rural-and-community-development-and-the-gaeltacht/publications/broadband-officers-contact-list/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,890 ✭✭✭Gooser14


    Deleted. NotShero has already addressed the issue re Broadband Officer.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 513 ✭✭✭westyIrl


    Hey guys,

    Well finally able to get a connection from NBI. Circet visited today and checked duct from a pole ~50m away to old Telecom Eireann manhole access chamber in footpath which they said they could use old copper wire to pull fibre through. Unfortunately the only suitable place for ONT is across the other side of building and another NBI pole that is closer to the building was a no-go due to NBI design and also overhead to building from that pole would pass under ESBN wires.

    Pole/ducting and Access chamber in footpath is at front of building so I really didn't want overhead here so underground duct is ideal. My issue is I need to install a duct from manhole up the front of two storey building (chasing external leaf of block cavity) to get to attic and continue the same conduit approx 20 meters to where ONT needs to go. Attic space is tight (up in collar-tie space) and while I'd manage it I wouldn't expect installer to do this so that's why I want to get this work done prior to install.

    Looking up NBI specs, the required conduit/ducting would be 32mm I.D. which I see normal guage 1.1/4" hydrodare would suffice, although this is going to make getting it chased up the front of the building and turned into the attic space a bit of a bugger, particularly with minimum bend radius, but doable I'm thinking.

    My question is whether 32mm I.D. duct is indeed required for this run or would a smaller diameter duct suffice for an approx 20m run. Also has anyone noticed any difference in getting fibre pulled through normal hydrodare (water pipe) versus the similar ducting sold as 'Telecom' ducting?

    Passing fiber straight into building beside manhole is just a complete headache as it would be much more work with internal ducting for network cabling and electrical point for ONT. The Circet engineer said if the ducting and pull-rope is in place they don't mind it being 20 meters, but couldn't give me a spec for duct/conduit.

    Any advice or experience would be more than welcome

    Jim



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,033 ✭✭✭Tango One


    Sorry, I couldn’t make out from your post whether the old Eir route to your house is completely gone — have the poles been taken down?

    I know you mentioned concerns about trees bringing the cable down. With some maintenance and cutting back the trees, is there any chance you’d still have a viable route there?

    If the original route could be brought back into use, Eir should really be responsible for replacing any poles along that route where needed, as it’s their infrastructure.

    Even if NBI have already installed the first ~50m with 50mm ducting, it sounds like you still have another ~700m to cover — which is a significant distance and not a small installation job.

    One option you could consider proposing to NBI is a “meet in the middle” approach — for example, they could supply the ducting free of charge, and you arrange installation yourself. That might help move things forward more quickly and reduce overall costs.

    Post edited by Tango One on


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 34,888 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    Bring the ONT into the closest place it can get to and use a mesh network to cover the house . I don't know why you'd add any of the complexity involved . There's seems no serious benefit .



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