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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,750 ✭✭✭Jack Daw


    Of course even though this is repeated constantly you'll still get the pathetic defenders of Islam saying that even if you hear and see this from senior Muslim clerics it's actually a conspiracy theory and you didn't actually see and hear it. It's pathetic how much people will pander to this particular religion especially as the people who love to pander to it seem to despise Christianity and all other religions.

    The level of Muslim population in europe and the birth rates of this population is a massive concern, we managed to secularize Europe over the last 50 years and now we're taking a backward step.

    For example

    Barcelona City Council advises against dancing or playing music in schools during Ramadan

    "Some Muslims may consider music or dance as an activity not suitable for the month of Ramadan, since it is considered a month dedicated to spirituality in which it is especially important to have a pious attitude. Therefore, it would be advisable to take this sensitivity into account when scheduling some activities or offering alternative activities,"

    The fact that this is even being suggested is utterly depressing and extremely worrying in my opinion.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,711 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    Yeah I'm not an expert but I've heard that the colonial powers often exert control over the African countries after they gain 'independence'. I've heard of things like the French tieing the countries currency to the French Franc so they can't control their own currency and even assassinations on leaders that try to nationalise resources.

    I'm not an expert so I don't claim to know. But I know these kinds of pressures weren't put on Ireland. And Ireland did get aid for years after independence. Wasn't it only around 2010 that Ireland became a net contributor to the EU? Up until then we were getting aid to build infrastructure and so on.

    It's probably an unpopular opinion that we were lucky the British mostly left us alone and the EU gave us a lot of aid. Plus a lot of hard work to build up the country.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,535 ✭✭✭kowloonkev


    Tell me how it's not true then. Or can you only engage in snide comments with zero substance?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 41,277 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    No they don't. Their country looks to be in irreversible decline, their politics is too fúcked-up to even properly articulate their problems never mind fix them. Instead it's all "Take back control", "Stop the boats" - what idiot slogan will be next?

    Doesn't help them that their best times were when they were sucking in wealth from colonies across the globe and forcing them to buy substandard goods at inflated sterling prices.

    They should have prospered in EU free trade, but weren't able to take proper advantage of it. Now they've cut themselves off from even that.

    I'm partial to your abracadabra
    I'm raptured by the joy of it all



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,535 ✭✭✭kowloonkev


    My point is we were no better off after they left, and worse off than Northern Ireland until we piggybacked first on the EU and then when we sucked that well dry, the US multinationals.

    We only started to be prosperous when we let others take charge.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,711 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    You made 2 very broad claims and provided no evidence for your claims. The claims were:

    1. The brits would have an argument for recolonising Ireland

    2. Most of our success comes from piggybacking on the ingenuity of others.

    I don't even know how to tell you it's not true because they're opinion based claims without accompanying evidence. How could I possibly tell you why your opinion is not true? It's true that it's your opinion. Other than that, you couldn't hang your hat on what you've said because you didn't offer evidence or an argument to back it up.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,740 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    The likely outcome of legislation should be looked into in detail instead of being blindly passed. There has been so much unnecessary legislation passed/or talked about in the past - that is in in effect a rebranding based on lobby group pressure.

    And it invariably ends up as a box ticking exercise. Often only symbolic with no hope of real and consistent enforcement, or unintended consequences. I would have much more respect for those in the Dail if they went against the lobby groups and do proper due diligence on the legislation. Even if the optics didn't look good. As such new legislation is only beneficial to the lobby groups as it gives them oxygen for press realeases etc justifying their existence.

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 41,277 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    We only started to be prosperous when we manoeuvred ourselves out of the orbit of the UK - tied to their currency, with most of our exports being low-value-added to the UK - beef on the hoof being a huge one. Where of course the UK dictated what prices we would get. And all of the profits from processing etc. were made in the UK.

    Ending that was not letting others take charge. Europhobic bollox tbh. It was taking charge

    Remember that after partition we were left with an agrarian economy with very little industry, which was mostly concentrated in what became Northern Ireland. We were never going to be able to compete in traditional heavy industries from that starting point.

    I'm partial to your abracadabra
    I'm raptured by the joy of it all



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,433 ✭✭✭Iscreamkone


    Netanyahu has done the world a service in taking out Hamas, Hezbollah and their mother ship, Iran, since the October 7th terror attacks.

    He may not be a favourite of the lefties on here but he has done a tremendous job in eliminating Israel’s enemies thus ensuring the safety of a country that has been under attack since 1947.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,072 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    You really think what Israel, and now the USA, are doing is going to make the Middle East a safer place?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,433 ✭✭✭Iscreamkone


    It’s going to make Israel a safer place into the future.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,072 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,711 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    Ah you're being harsh. When you get rid of the leader, the next leader is bound to be better. Just because they changed the leader it in Iran before and it didn't work out great, or Iraq, or Afghanistan, doesn't mean it will necessarily work out badly this time...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 41,277 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Taking the mad mullahs in Iran out of it, if they achieve that, yes absolutely.

    Without Iran exporting terror across the entire region, the Middle East can only be a better place.

    I'm partial to your abracadabra
    I'm raptured by the joy of it all



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,535 ✭✭✭kowloonkev


    Europhobic? Bizarre stuff there.

    So you believe we didn't have to give up anything in order to piggyback on the EU?

    You just use a phobic word to close the conversation.

    You're saying we basically couldn't have done anything by ourselves, and still can't presumably?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,072 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    You really think killing a few mullahs is going to make Iran into some sort of Western-like utopia?

    Did you see the protests against the West on the streets when their leader was assassinated? There is a lot of love for the mullahs, and these millions of people aren't suddenly going to be grand with this overnight.

    As I said previously, time will tell just how much good this US Israeli action will do. Im not convinced it'll solve anything.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 5,760 Mod ✭✭✭✭spacetweek


    All the EU did was enable Ireland to achieve its potential. Historically the UK held us back intentionally - from the Industrial Revolution onwards, Britain was to have the manufacturing and Ireland the farming. Their own countryside emptied out and they needed us to produce their food for them.

    As for US multinationals, they provide the capital but we provide the workforce. Many Dublin branches are actually European HQs with significant autonomy. It’s only right we recoup some profit through corporation taxes.

    If you think an American company investing in us is piggybacking then I guess when Microsoft open a data centre in rural North Dakota then North Dakota is also piggybacking. Of the 5 tech majors 3 are in SF and 2 in Seattle but they account for a huge share of the US’s economy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 148 ✭✭Arseboxing


    People who log onto the INTERNET to conspicuously celebrate the horrific murders of prisoners, no matter how bad the crimes of those prisoners, are absolute wrong 'uns who are openly showing off that they themselves fantasise about carrying out horrific crimes of the sort committed by those they celebrate the deaths of.

    And thus they themselves are part of the mindless culture of violence that leads to horrific crimes against people, especially children.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 41,277 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Saying we let others take charge is untrue, Europhobic, bollox.

    As a small country, we need to be part of a large trading bloc. That used to be Britain and its empire, which didn't work out all that great for us. Now we're in the biggest trading bloc in the world, the EU single market.

    We tried isolationism and tariffs for far too long after independence, it was economically and socially disastrous.

    "Piggyback on the EU" is nonsense. We received funding on the same basis as any other member (even net contributors get funding) and now we are a net contributor assessed on the same basis as every other member state. EU membership has transformed former communist countries like Poland in the same way it transformed our country.

    I'm partial to your abracadabra
    I'm raptured by the joy of it all



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 41,277 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    A "spontaneous demonstration" staged by the regime means nothing. But unfortunately there will always be some so brainwashed as to be willing to defend anything.

    There is huge hatred for the regime among the Iranian people, even before they murdered tens of thousands of peaceful protestors recently.

    The attempt to remove the fundamentalist regime might not succeed, but that does not mean it was wrong to try.

    I'm partial to your abracadabra
    I'm raptured by the joy of it all



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 41,277 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    People who log onto the INTERNET to sanctimoniously critique other people who log onto the INTERNET

    Also, random capitalisation

    I'm partial to your abracadabra
    I'm raptured by the joy of it all



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 304 ✭✭Mother Shaboobu


    And it's pure baseless bollox to say those internet commenters are part of what leads to violence against children, but nice deflection away from *actual* violence against children in order to feel superior.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 148 ✭✭Arseboxing


    So how is advocating for torture and the gouging out of prisoners' eyes as part of them being butchered to death not contributing to a mindless culture of violence?

    I'd like to think we'd all agree that a mindless culture of violence in society leads to evil acts such as the rape and murder of children. A mindless culture of violence was what Donald Trump grew up believing in.

    How is conspicuously baying for frenzied barbarism instead of actual plain old justice not calling for the overthrow of not just the state but any semblance of decent society?

    It's quite clear some people don't just hanker for a return to the 1950s, but a return to medieval times where savagery reigns.

    Given this, you can see how Trump is so popular.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 304 ✭✭Mother Shaboobu


    Because it's not for no reason, or even for a minor reason like shop-lifting - it's in response to the worst crimes possible. It's not like it's gonna become official, it's just online ranting.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 148 ✭✭Arseboxing


    It's a call for the justice system to be thrown out and be replaced by mindless butchery and savagery.

    I know people tend not to want to ever consider the consequences of their mindlessness.

    But that's what it is. Mindless, atavistic, bloodlust for butchery.

    And that absolutely contributes to a culture where women, children and indeed everybody else are less safe.

    Because, by nature, such a culture of atavism and bloodlust can never stop at mere prisoners. It inevitably goes beyond that into wider society because it's a craving for butchery.

    What we see in Ukraine and Palestine and Iran today and through the horrific actions of the US, Israel and Russia proves that without any doubt. A culture of fantasising about mindless violence and butchery leads to actual mindless violence and butchery.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 304 ✭✭Mother Shaboobu


    The key thing is that it is a *response* to such savagery though - like, the worst possible crimes. So it's not really mindless.

    Would you care if Netanyahu were assassinated? Like fk *I* would.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,098 ✭✭✭growleaves


    I think your phrase "even decades after independence" is misleading.

    The Cumann na nGaedheal government (1923–1932) led by W.T. Cosgrave was packed with Anglo and Protestant supporters.

    Republicans were excommunicated in 1922 and barred from taking sacraments and there wasn't an instant rapprochement with the Catholic hierarchy straight afterwards. C.S. Andrews said in his memoir that DeValera didn't really start taking their input until a few years after he came to power in 1932. McQuaid only became Archbishop of Dublin in 1940.

    As Mary Kenny showed in her research most Irish Anglicans approved of bans on contraception and divorce. Irish Protestantism was never a bastion of political and social liberalism then.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,346 ✭✭✭✭cj maxx


    That Trump has a point about Europe needs oil from the ME more than the US and should be doing more v Iran now that they (US) have started the war . Iran has been tentatively linked to nearly every major terrorist attack in recent years .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,253 ✭✭✭Greyfox


    Your post is just more nonsense, nobody is asking for the justice system to be thrown out, its simply asking for evil people to get what they deserve, nothing mindless in that. Just because you can see a link in your imagination doesnt mean theres one in reality. Its like the eejits who try to link violence in films/games to real life violence.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,557 ✭✭✭silliussoddius


    Just because he has a point about Europe being over a barrel on energy dependance doesn't mean anyone else has to get involved in Operation Epstein Distraction/Operation Hegseth Rapture.



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