Donald Trump the Megathread part II - Mod Warning updated in OP 12/2/26

somenergy · 05-03-2026 03:19PM

Short 1

But its a shame that US citizens have abandoned humanity when I speak to an american some apologise some won't talk or runaway

Americans own this one pathic and stupid

AbusesToilets · 05-03-2026 03:24PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124287609#Comment_124287609

Graham vs Connor, which addresses what constitutes reasonable force used by a police officer? How does that relate to a Senator deciding to physically assault a citizen and break their arm? The officers were completely over the top with their reaction, they didn't even attempt remove the individual peacefully, and a meathead Senator, challenged over his compromise by Israel, decided to get stuck in. Pathetic all around.

Leg End Reject · 05-03-2026 03:32PM

Mod - @malibu4u, stop trolling with potentially defamatory comments, add a link to back up what you post.

yagan · 05-03-2026 03:44PM

I can see the arguments for a deescalation with Iran starting to build up like one BBC story saying Iran has depleted nearly all their drones and are really for talks etc… How does anyone know how many drones Iran has built over and stored over decades?

Overall within the gulf states it's an enormous blow for US prestige and that will have corrosive effects in their various puppet regimes.

So I'd imagine somehow they'll spin that Iran has promised them not to say bad things about Trump, and by next week Trump will be torpedoing Danish Navy ships.

PokeHerKing · 05-03-2026 03:54PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124287611#Comment_124287611

Its a good thing this sort of stuff doesn't happen in Ireland...

Manic Moran · 05-03-2026 04:04PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124287751#Comment_124287751

It was the police who commenced the removal, the police who moved the door in such a manner that the arm was stuck, and the police who broke the arm, so anything further than that is not relevant to this scenario as far as the law is concerned. There is to my knowledge no prohibition on any private citizen, even a Senator, assisting police.

Was it a good idea for the Senator to get involved? That's an entirely different matter, but you're the one who brought up the Constitution making it a legal discussion.

Leroy42 · 05-03-2026 04:11PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124287609#Comment_124287609

You have no idea what rules Hegseth was talking about. It could be all of them for all you know.

But what his statement clearly set out is that he has no issue with the ROE being ignored, the only criteria is that they are 'stupid'. Well, people think lots of rules are stupid, but they need to be adhered to until you get them changed.

But Hegseth hasn't put anything forward on what he wants to change, how he wants them changed.

Stanley 1 · 05-03-2026 04:16PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124287611#Comment_124287611

Company registered only 10 days before, no regular office, no website, no track record - how lucky can one get.

Ardillaun · 05-03-2026 04:18PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124287000#Comment_124287000

It surprises me that Rubio thought his remark about Israel forcing America’s hand would go down well, even with the MAGA crowd. What sounds good in Miami doesn't necessarily fly in the rest of the country. There’s a faction in that movement that is already hostile to Israel.

Ardillaun · 05-03-2026 04:23PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124287123#Comment_124287123

Nobody knows more than Ukraine about tackling drones in a cost-effective way.

midlander12 · 05-03-2026 04:32PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124287123#Comment_124287123

He has plenty of them, not least the fact that Ukraine gained more territory than it lost in February, for the first time in years.

Leroy42 · 05-03-2026 04:34PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124287947#Comment_124287947

You need to think about the context of why he said it. There was big pushback on Trump unilaterally entering the US in a war, after stating over and over again that he wouldn't do it and that Biden, Harris, HC, etc. would. That he was against the US getting involved in forever wars. So, based on trying to protect Trump, he actually spoke the truth (well, I think it's the truth) and then realised that it actually made Trump look really bad.

So he then tried to say he never actually said what he said and in fact Trump is totally in charge.

He screwed up because it is hard to keep track of what position Trump actually has and Rubio got caught out. But he did it trying to protect Trump.

Pdoghue · 05-03-2026 04:36PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124287908#Comment_124287908

I'm interested in your response to the points made in Post No. 51289.

Sleepy · 05-03-2026 04:45PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124287126#Comment_124287126

Trump has obviously either already signed, or promised to sign pardons for his henchpeople.

Luckily a presidential pardon isn't bulletproof. She, along with the rest of his regime, will die when Americans finally remember that treason is punishable by death and/or more heroes like Luigi Mangione emerge.

Quin_Dub · 05-03-2026 04:48PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124288024#Comment_124288024

Genuine question - If Trump was found to be guilty of X crime , would a pardon he handed out to others for the same crime (or for hiding said crime) be valid?

randomcorkman · 05-03-2026 04:57PM

Fetterman has lost his mind altogether.

https://www.jns.org/fetterman-on-iranian-leaders-just-keep-killing-them/

Sleepy · 05-03-2026 05:12PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124288033#Comment_124288033

A good question. Definitely one for a US attorney to give an educated answer on!

AbusesToilets · 05-03-2026 05:29PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124287908#Comment_124287908

That's not correct imo, it was the Senator's interjection of lifting up and pushing the individual that directly led to his arm being broken. There's every prohibition on assaulting people. I can't row in with a few kicks if I see cops struggling with someone.

Using such tame language to describe a citizen being violently assaulted by a Senator, for having the temerity to voice opposition to Israel, is exactly the sort of sane washing that allows for Republican lawlessness to flourish.

BettyS · 05-03-2026 05:45PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124288162#Comment_124288162

US politics has descended into WWF-style insanity. I am waiting for the American people to wake up and realise how insane it all is

briany · 05-03-2026 05:52PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124287835#Comment_124287835

If Iran, meaning their government, has learned anything from the last 5 years of world affairs, it should be that being able to fight a cheap and persistent war is better than being loaded with gear that may be powerful but is also expensive to build, maintain, resupply and provide other logistics for.

So, in other words they'd have done well to stockpile an absolute fúckton of those Shaheds somewhere…

eightieschewbaccy · 05-03-2026 05:53PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124288207#Comment_124288207

If anything, based on the US posters on the site. Normalising it is where many of them are at. The overton window has pretty much moved off the plantation at this stage.

Manic Moran · 05-03-2026 05:59PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124287927#Comment_124287927

Re last line: In that case, what's the problem?

I mean, if you can't point to anything he has changed, wants to change, and explain why it's a bad idea to change it, there's not much cause for complaint. Though as I noted, the guidance for base protection was modified by him in January, resulting thus far in the shoot-down of one balloon of indeterminate origin and one CBP drone.

Your middle paragraph makes no sense. He never said he had no issue with ROE being ignored. I'm fairly sure he would like whatever ROE are emplaced to be followed. Given Hegseth is the one in a position to change the rules (unless overruled by the President), the second sentence seems moot.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124287993#Comment_124287993

No question was asked. He has his opinion and I suspect my response to it isn't going to change it much as he states he doesn't expect to change mine. But since you are asking:

I agree that the US social construct regarding veterans and the pedestal upon which we seem to place them is a bit overdone. I disagree that the reason US healthcare is in a poor state is because of US military expenditure, we throw more dollars per capita at the problem than anyone else: It's not a matter of money. I agree that starting a war on the basis of a 'hunch' is not good policy. I have now listened to Bob Dylan's song as suggested (which to be honest I had not heard), reminds me of The Patriot Game. I have no quarrel with (what I assume to be) the underlying meaning, I've never been a fan of religious justifications for war (or of concepts like "Manifest Destiny"). I've not heard a better definition than "Two sides arguing over who has the best imaginary friend" (No offence intended to those of faith, just seems a good way of thinking of it).

Stanley 1 · 05-03-2026 06:10PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124288207#Comment_124288207

30% are wide awake to the cant already, 40% are backing him, the remaining 30% are cribbing and moaning on the sideline but hopefully soon get more involved in the game and influence the result to make it to 50%, the missing 10% are too thick to notice.

BettyS · 05-03-2026 06:12PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124288270#Comment_124288270

could you imagine the horror if one of our ministers broke a citizen’s arm. There would be a full investigation and the minister would have their position revoked. Using a slightly different example, CMG was reviled after punching that old man in the pub.

yagan · 05-03-2026 06:19PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124288226#Comment_124288226

Absolutely. I read up about the Houthi attacks on the US navy last year and it was very interesting how they'd purposefully launch really cheap drones that costs a few thousand dollars just to get the US navy to counter with multi million dollar interceptor missiles. Coupled with a few shoulder launched missiles attacks like the ones that Ukraine used to sink Russian ships the US navy were forced to withdraw well out of Houthi range.

The fact that Iran painted fake airplanes and helicopters on runways that the Israelis and US spent millions in missiles hitting shows a similar inexorable depletion. Hitting all the Gulf states and forcing them to deplete their US supplied interceptor missile stocks highlights that expensive high tech weaponry is a vulnerability if replenishment is neither affordable or able to keep up with demand.

banie01 · 05-03-2026 06:24PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124288298#Comment_124288298

What ships did Ukraine sink with Shoulder fired missiles?
The Moskva was sunk via Neptune the Kilo class sub and the landing ships were by Storm Shadow/Scalp and other ships damaged or sunk were via the seaborne UAVs.
I'm not trying to be dismissive or confrontational, just that I am unaware of any ship sunk via shoulder fired missiles and it's an area I have an interest in.

amacca · 05-03-2026 06:26PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124288207#Comment_124288207

You might be waiting a while

A significant cohort must be infantilised in some way

I find some of the political rallies, public events on both sides to be embarassing viewing....now maybe its just the morons they pick or filter for vox pops but most time anyone Republican or Democrat is interviewed....its embarrassing to listen to.....the stupid looking hats, the costumes, the ra ra bolox....its not adult politics ...it reminds me of a live TV studio audience for Sesame Street....

Its funny because I really enjoy the bombast and spectacle that accompanies something like an NFL/NBA game, college sports over there...it adds value in my eyes there....it **** doesn't when you think about the fact its these gobshites are voting and will be deciding your future while wearing a t-shirt like they are attending a concert and the general demeanor of someone attending a pantomine as an adult and actually enjoying it.....while attending a political event...

Stallingrad · 05-03-2026 06:36PM

Did the US really believe it was going to do a Venezuela in Iran?

After countless miscalculations in the Middle East you really think they would've learnt by now, the ineptitude is so apparent so early in this conflict.

Regime change unlikely, oil prices are skyrocketing, supply dropping, tourism decimated in the Gulf states, massive disruption to aviation, gulf refineries on fire, data centres targeted in the UAE and Bahrain, the list goes on. And you have that child Hegseth warbling on about lethality without any concept of what the real cost of war is.

It's beyond pathetic.

Igotadose · 05-03-2026 06:39PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124288242#Comment_124288242

Hegseth seems borderline crazy, maybe full on crazy, running the DoD like some sort of wild-west outfit. Shoot first, ask questions later. Certainly his personal life antics don't point out someone stable enough to run with the enormous responsibilities he has. What a step down from Lloyd Austin or any of the previous SecDefs.

And you want us to wait and see what he wants the stupid RoE to become? Like, how about RoE that state no sinking boats without rescuing the victims, no attack from submarines on ships without warning to surrender first. There's various articles out there that said the Iranian destroyer was unarmed and doing some sort of drill with the Indian Navy. But Hegesth's 'warfighters' (another gagsome image) decided it flew an Iranian flag and was fair game. Plus, it seems unclear they offered any help to the destroyer crew - that's probably not warfightery enough.

Warfighters. What depths the military in the US has sunk to. It used to be worthy of some respect.

BettyS · 05-03-2026 06:47PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124288358#Comment_124288358

Hegseth reminds me of somebody giving a rousing speech for the Rugby school league cup final. He speaks in superlatives and narrates an epic. He tries to channel the speeches evoking the nationalist pride of Churchill, circa WWII. But he doesn’t seem to give any specifics on how the aims will be achieved. He doesn’t acknowledge the bloodshed of the innocents and the painful choices that have to be made. And WWII was fought after the Allies were dragged into the conflict by the fascists. The fascists committed depraved crimes against humanity. This is not comparable to this.

His speeches have all the right buzzwords to excite his base, but no substance for those probing deeper

Donald Trump the Megathread part II - Mod Warning updated in OP 12/2/26

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