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Ireland Team Talk XII: Farrell's First Fifteen

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,238 ✭✭✭Rugbyf565


    Cruel on Tommy O’Brien.

    Casey needed to be dropped though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,988 ✭✭✭ionadnapóca


    Anything is possible!!

    Ireland are currently on a record run against Wales in the Championship with 4 consecutive wins.

    Wales have beaten Ireland 5 consecutive times on 4 occasions. 1907-1911, 1913-22, 1957-61, 1975-1979.

    Even if I cant see Ireland racking up anything like 50 with the side picked, Doak might get still get those 30mins!

    Last time Ireland scored 50 points v Wales was in 2002 (54-10) - Think its biggest win between the sides.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 33,909 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Stockdale can't cover 15 - there is no other back 3.

    I find it difficult to believe Farrell was planning Byrne/TOB on the bench but changed it to Frawley/Farrell because of Byrne's injury. It wouldn't make any sense given Frawley also covers centre (and better than Byrne).

    The most obvious answer seems the likliest - Byrne is the 4th choice 10 and was never in contention for the squad.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73 ✭✭bigmac86


    Ringrose moves to wing like he has done before, farrell to 13, stockdale to 15



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73 ✭✭bigmac86


    Ringrose moves to wing like he has done before, farrell to 13, stockdale to 15



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,856 ✭✭✭standardg60


    This is what flummoxes me re TOB. Who's our wing cover?

    Frawley? Ringrose? JGP??

    Murphy's law says one of the wingers gets injured..

    Glad to see Doak getting a run.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 208 ✭✭longjohn200


    Stockdale excelled at 15 for Ulster

    Why can't he?



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 33,909 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Cause he is already on the pitch and there is no other back 3 cover.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 208 ✭✭longjohn200




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 46 inbloom427


    Some of the narrative around Stockdale is bizarre, but typical. The team were absolutely awful against France as a collective, and TOB was marginally worse than Stockdale. Coming back and having a good game against a very poor England team does not justify the narrative that there is some sort of travesty with this selection.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,868 ✭✭✭leakyboots


    TOB had a very good performance the other day but it's been the exception rather than the norm so I'm not too shocked he's been dropped again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 208 ✭✭longjohn200


    As a Ulster Supporter delighted to have stockdale back in. But bombing TOB out of the 23 after his performance last week is equally bizarre.

    Post edited by longjohn200 on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,332 ✭✭✭lawrencesummers


    Another way of saying that is you think a worse player should be picked over a better one because the team we are playing is crap.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,238 ✭✭✭Rugbyf565


    it absolutely does, against England he showed up all around the park, came off his wing, won the high ball a few times, made important tackles and good reads, he’s been in brilliant form for leinster for the last two seasons and is a better defender than stockdale



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 46 inbloom427


    @Rugbyf565 - after he was given a chance against England, despite arguably playing worse against France. Stockdale has been playing well for Ulster. You'll see on Friday sure, we'll leave it at that and you can come back to me after.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,673 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    Bryne got injured before the last week of camp training even started, so that could've completely upended his plans there, we just don't know. I struggle to believe that Farrell really believes Frawley is his 3rd or even 2nd best option for OH.

    You have Osborne, Stockdale and Crowley as options to cover FB if needed



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,238 ✭✭✭Rugbyf565




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,193 ✭✭✭KaneToad


    Delighted to see Timoney get a start. All the noise this campaign has been about McCloskey but, for me, Timoney has been the most impressive Irish player.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,085 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


    We won’t really know what any of these selections mean until next week when (presumably) we pick what we regard as our strongest 23. It looks to me like Farrell thinks Wales are the new Italy and we can take a look at a few guys.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,725 ✭✭✭Pete_Cavan


    The only issue I'd have with the selection is Conan at 6. He's an out and out 8 and only really emergency cover for 6. Better suited to bench impact these days anyway. I think this really unbalances the back row, particularly as Timoney is more like an 8 than your typical 7. Although Ireland has the better individual players in the back row, it's a area where Wales could be better as a unit.

    I'd rather see Prendergast or Izzy at 6 as I think both are better in that role with the added bonus of being another good line out option. I think both would benefit more from the game time too and, depending on how the next 18 months go, could be better options for the WC squad.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,534 ✭✭✭visatorro


    Normally dont agree with Eddie osullivan but he said on indo podcast that this was make or break for stockdale. If things didn't go well for him it would make up farrells mind



  • Subscribers, Paid Member Posts: 45,384 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    I wouldn't be too worried about the Welsh back row. They are essentially playing 3 blindsides, and a hybrid on the bench.

    Ireland will have then for both pace and power. Conan will take up his customery role out in the blindsides wing when in attack. In defense his job will simply be to tackle his heart out until he's replaced by JVDF, when Ireland will finish the game with 3 open sides on the pitch.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 42,996 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    If prefer to see Conan on the bench. He's a fantastic player but he's getting on. As long as he can stand up I'd have him in the squad.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,054 ✭✭✭johnh6767


    Better for Ireland, and as a Leinster fan, better for Leinster to have a more balanced team. Very healthy pivot



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,326 ✭✭✭TRC10


    I actually think there’s a lot riding on this game. Not in terms of the result, but in terms of the performance. Hence why he’s not taken many risks with his selection (I know the narrative is that it’s an experimental team, but I don’t agree with that)

    If we play poorly and limp over the line like against Italy, the England games looks like a one-off against a pretty poor team, and a lot of the negativity will come back. However, if we play well again and blow Wales away (and I think we can put 50 on Wales, if we play well), it starts to look like we’ve come out the other side of a bad run and are a team on the up again.



  • Subscribers, Paid Member Posts: 45,384 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    we havent put 50 on wales since 2002, and our largest winning margin in the last 10 years has been 24 points.

    the spread tomorrow is currently 25 points and i think we will do well to surpass that. Wales will be buoyed by their performance against Scotland so they wont be coming with the heads down, already beaten.

    Personally im looking for a cohesive performance, where we front up physically…… get at least parity at the scrum and get 90% on lineouts.

    Something similar to 2 years ago id be happy with.

    predicting something like 37 - 13



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 17,589 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    To be fair to Wales , they haven't wanted for effort over the last while.

    They have been appalling in a lot of games , but you'd never really accuse them of throwing in the towel , they've kept throwing themselves about in all the games , but they simply aren't very good at all at the moment.

    They'll scrap and fight , but I don't think Ireland will give them anything like the time/space that Scotland did to get a few scores early on.

    The Irish 23 is stronger across the board and I would expect Ireland to open up a gap in the last quarter. The difference in the bench strength is massive and Ireland will likely have a 2+ score buffer already at that stage.



  • Subscribers, Paid Member Posts: 45,384 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    i think its absolutely crazy to consider that wales are coming with 18 completely different players out of the 23 that faced Ireland only last year in Cardiff.

    Only Tomos Williams, Ellis Mee and Dafydd Jenkins are retained in the starting team, and Wainwright moves from the bench. Smith moves to the bench



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 94 ✭✭revth1990


    Was that the La rochelle game where a 19 year old 12 ran rings around him the entire game and henshaw was flapping at air half the time trying to tackle him, youre rating of henshaws perfromaces over the last few months is incredibly optomistic.

    Last years 6 nations Henshaw with space and time couldnt get round Frances 140kg second row Taofafenua to score in the corner… time to start looking at other options at 13 with a wc in under 2 years time.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,353 ✭✭✭Stanley 1


    Last year we were in bother with Porter conceding 3 scrum penos in the 1st half, the game was in doubt and we got out of Dodge by 9 points in the end but like the look of a 25 point spread as it is fairly obvious Ireland will look to bulldoze Wales in the pack and pull away in 2nd half.



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