US/Israel conduct airstrikes on Iran again

The sinking of the Iranian ship without warning, even with it's transponder on so, far away from the war that the US says it still hasn't declared, is in reality by all international conventions an act of terrorism.

The regime change angle is beyond silly….they're all Iranians; so there's quite the chance that whomever is in charge won't be in any way meaningful, different!!!

It's war for the sake of war and killing for the sake of killing…what's the point in having all these weapons and power if ya can't test it out on humans….that is the warped mentality here

Yeah, ultimately, you'd have to agree. Whats the point of having all of these weapons and soliders if you don't put them to work every few years? And who knows what and who has alterior motives. It's ultimately the civilians whose lives are at risk, generally the vast majority of whom have no desire for war in any way/shape or form.

I am not saying Iran or indeed any party is innocent in all of this, the opposite in fact but things have gotten very serious.

When you see Fox news anchors calling the sinking of an unarmed Iranian frigate in international waters "Cool" as its the first time it's been done since world war 2, you see the kind of attitudes towards long distance wars that are in the country.

It was essentially unarmed, on the way back from India, a fact the US knew. This apparantly isn't a war.

@Homelander

Ongoing conflict?

When did US congress vote to go to war against Iran?

the Trump admin is effectively a hit squad ignoring all international law. Not wanting an installed puppet ruler like a Shah is not a crime. Our first was illegal when it met.

Every time, I imagine that the nations will try to de-escalate and to use peaceful means to prevent this becoming WWIII. But they seem to be doing everything they can to ratchet up the conflict, until WWIII becomes unavoidable

I personally think when this period of war settles they'll call it WW3 starting with Russia going into Ukraine.

That still doesn't make it a war crime and certainly not an act of terror. It's still an active military vessel with military crew regardless of whether it had a full complement of weaponary or was lightly armed.

People seem to think just stating the fact of it means I'm filled with joy about it.

The simple truth is that it's not considered a war crime. The same way that shooting down a military transport or blowing up a logistics carrier is not a war crime.

"They have to find their own way without external interference"

That's quite the phrase in relation to Iranian leadership with proxies in Yemen, Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, Baharain and of course Gaza undermining regional stability.

The goal of the leadership is to prepare for the Messiah; al-Mahadi son of the 11 Imam who's been in hiding since 941AD😀.

When he's going to come back its going to be in Saudi Arabia and his role is to establish a global Islamic state.

All shiites don't believe this particular brand of nonsense, its very much confined to this sect.

The reason we have got here is as much to do with the Saudi looking for a chance at regional stability. The conflict and strife is primarily between the Saudi led alliance and Iran and its proxies on the other side.

The Saudis turned to China to sort the issue following a breakdown in relation between USA and Saudi over Yemen war under the Biden administration.

https://monitoring.bbc.co.uk/product/c2045jgm

I'm no fan of the Saudis, but if you want stability in the region allowing the Houthis, funded and armed by Iran, to continue to disrupt trade and energy stability can't be part of the plan.

If you ever wondered why Israel is such a problem for Iran with over 1000km between their borders? The answer isn't the love of Sunni Palestinians; but a Israel as a Jewish state in former Muslim controlled lands in the middle east is a stain on their messianic believe that the whole world will be a Twelever sect paradise. How credible are you among your neighbours when those dirty Jews have the most advanced economy and armed forces in the region.

For the record I think this is really high risk gamble by the USA and its regional partners and I'm not sure they have a credible strategy. The Trump administration is full of donkeys with only play and this could end anywhere.

The Saudi and its coalition with Iran to the east, Hezbollah to the north and the Houthis to the south all emboldened over successes in Syria/Iraq were never going to leave this just rumble along

Anything online yet around what impact the drones and missiles had on UAE today? Sounds like there could be a lot of damage - I’ve seen the reports of attacks on UAE but no information on impact yet - conscious a lot of Irish have family/friends there

I remember reading many years ago that that's why these 'strong men', brutal leaders were put in charge in the first place. Like Saddam Hussein or Colonel Gaddafi etc.

They could keep somewhat of a lid on all these tribes killing each other. I suppose we could go back even further and analyse the logic behind the borders.

taking the over inflated protection money from interested parties and then not paying out if they do get bombed is the likely scenario here- Trump will not give away money - he did the same to contractors on his hotels - unpaid bills everywhere - whole companies went down the tubes because of non payment of bills on works carried out on his hotels