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US/Israel conduct airstrikes on Iran again

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,882 ✭✭✭threeball


    That has nothing to do with Israel and the US. Neither of them could give a toss if they killed 33 million. Are you really going to try to make a case they're doing this to better Iran. Argue in good faith at least man.

    Maybe the US should look at how many of its own citizens its law enforcement, locks up or shoots on an annual basis. Iran and the Iranians have to find their own path, without external interference. They wouldn't be in this position if it weren't for British and American interference in the 1950s.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 795 ✭✭✭JohnDoe2025


    Getting rid of the Iranian regime will improve the lives of the Iranian people.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 255 ✭✭Tacitus Kilgore DCLXVI


    No I didn't say that. I said if the poster actually believes what they are saying they are delusional.

    I honestly don't know what went wrong with this site, basic reading comprehension abilities seem to have been totally lost for many, I guess this is just an extension of Facebook, X etc. for posters now so throwing out this stuff is probably perfectly fine in peoples' minds.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,128 ✭✭✭Homelander


    And literally what the poster said that you quoted was:

    "Oh that is far from not debatable! The reason the Israelis and the Americans are concentrating on attacking Iran's military assets is that they are fully aware of what they are capable of. That's why so many air defence systems were moved into the Gulf area in the last month. The only people this will come as a surprise to are the people who have not been paying attention until the actual combat kicked off."

    So I'm not really sure what you're talking about lack of basic reading skills, there's literally nothing in that post you quoted with said comment that's "deluded", it is pretty factual.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,438 ✭✭✭brickster69


    It is the logistics centre which supplies and fuels the 5th fleet now that they left the base in Bahrain.

    The old world is dying, and the new world struggles to be born: now is the time of monsters. — Antonio Gramsci



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 924 ✭✭✭bored65


    This poster asserted Oman contains a US military base

    it clearly does not

    The best you can claim is that ships refuelled at some point in past in Omans ports but even then zero evidence was offered that Oman’s government {who has a long history of being neutral and mediating between Iran and Israel} has given permission in the run up to this war for any of its facilities to be used



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 54,659 CMod ✭✭✭✭Retr0gamer


    Did I say that?

    Might as well be asking if a girl schools is a military target.

    And yes, oil refineries would be legit military targets. Or are you going to come up with some semantics that they are operated by private companies?



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 54,659 CMod ✭✭✭✭Retr0gamer


    Where did I say it was? That's some hardcore whataboutery.

    Edit: quick Google and it was debris from an intercepted drone so it wasn't even targeted.

    I'm not engaging in anymore of your nonsense.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 255 ✭✭Tacitus Kilgore DCLXVI


    Ok I'll spell it out - the actual motivations of the US and Israel are not what that poster is claiming, why you want to double down on this level of ignorance is beyond me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 255 ✭✭Tacitus Kilgore DCLXVI


    I have no interest in engaging with you any further, please stop quoting me.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 924 ✭✭✭bored65


    ?
    I didn’t quote you here, it’s a reply to the post directly preceding it^


    a post excusing attacks on civilian infrastructure in Dubai which is 150km from nearest military facility



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,776 ✭✭✭.Donegal.


    Claims of two more schools being hit

    Missile attack hits two schools in Iran’s Parand: Iranian media

    Missiles fired by the US and Israel have hit two schools in the town of Parand, southwest of Tehran, Iran’s semiofficial Fars news agency reports.

    It shared photos of damage and debris in what appeared to be a classroom and said several nearby residential units also sustained damage.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 255 ✭✭Tacitus Kilgore DCLXVI




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,128 ✭✭✭Homelander


    The poster literally said the reason the US moved so much air defense into the Gulf region is because they are perfectly aware of what Iran is capable of, and anyone surprised by that wasn't paying much attention.

    You quoted that post, saying if they believed that, they are delusional.

    What's delusional about it?

    The fact you have to resort to talking in vagueries about people lacking reading skills and doubling down in ignorance isn't a response.

    You said the poster was delusional for a specific, single paragraph post about US/Israel knowing exactly what Iran is capable of and their military campaign being tailored to it.

    Surely if you believe that, you can actually say why?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 978 ✭✭✭batman75


    Israel has virtually imposed a news blackout. Hence hard to gauge the extent of devastation particularly in Tel Aviv. How long will Israelis be willing to stay hunkered down in bunkers?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 924 ✭✭✭bored65


    ”: quick Google and it was debris from an intercepted drone so it wasn't even targeted.”

    How close was this 7 star hotel to the nearest military facility, why was a drone flying anywhere near it or any other civilian housing like the apartment block in Bahrain from the Guardian video higher up



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 255 ✭✭Tacitus Kilgore DCLXVI


    Again, because you either don't understand what I am saying or else are willfully ignoring it. The motivations of Israel and the US are not what you or that poster are claiming.

    I don't know what you are trying to achieve with this belligerent ignorance but I have no interest in engaging in this any further. If you can't comprehend what I am saying, I have no interest in trying to explain it further.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,170 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    That Frigate the US sank.
    Leaving aside the rules of war, even though according to America, there is no war.
    The ship was unarmed, it was a requirement of all ships attending the Fleet Review that ships are in a "safe" configuration with no ammunition loaded.

    The Americans were 100% aware of that particular requirement, as they were invited to the review and pulled out at short notice.
    The details of what "Safe" & "Peace Protocol" means are outlined in a post here,

    https://x.com/i/status/2029511685107761558

    it's moments like this that experienced posters like Dohville really are missed with their naval experience.

    A USN submarine was never going to surface to render aid to a vessel it has fired upon.
    The rendering of aid as an aspect of sub surface warfare died with the adoption of unrestricted submarine warfare by all sides as WW2 went on.


    The optics of the sinking?
    1st of all in firing on a vessel they knew was likely unarmed.
    As they had pulled out of the fleet review.
    2nd in firing upon a vessel belonging to a nation that still, no Dejure declaration of war has been made upon, despite the defacto state.
    The US is still denying a "war" and claiming special operation.
    Are absolutely damning, as is the language used by the US administration in lionising their actions.
    War is hell, Hegseth and Co cheerleading their warriors is a diminution of what it means to serve.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,882 ✭✭✭threeball


    More waffle, the regime is going no where. Let's see the IDF roll in there and remove them. Air strikes have removed 0 regimes in the history of war. Your hero's are bombing the very cities where the most staunch anti regime Iranians live. Genius stuff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,614 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Former UK ambassador to Iran has told Sky News he sees absolutely no sign of civil unrest or that regime change is on the way - adds that this will be hugely annoying for Trump and Netanyahu.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,851 ✭✭✭✭kippy


    That really depends on what takes its place though? Doesn't it?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,036 ✭✭✭rogber


    And now the EU has come out to condemn Iran again but not a word of condemnation towards Israel and the US. It is absolutely shameful. There is a huge gap between general European opinion and the positions of the governments. Almost everyone I speak to despises the Iranian regime but is still opposed to this completely illegal war. The two things are not incompatible.

    Only the far right in Europe seems to actually support this war, but that is basically the position governments are implicitly representing



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,217 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    It was not the same. It wasn't Constant. 25 years ago was very different you know. For example Twitter did not exist. Sky is constantly showing war porn from social media now. It's a biological dopamine loop.

    It's fine, you don't see the difference. Grand.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,882 ✭✭✭threeball


    This is the same stuff that was pedalled in Iraq. All they did was create rival groups, a civil war and over 1 million dead. I'm sure they'd all agree that life was better after the attack. ISIS was great craic for all involved. The stupidity of some posters defies belief. No critical thinking, just support their "team".



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 54,659 CMod ✭✭✭✭Retr0gamer


    If you don't understand what debris is or just want to ignore facts to suit your narrative then there's no point in engaging with you.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,628 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    Yes, i'd be in agreement about that. There is no wholly innocent party in this.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,227 ✭✭✭Enduro


    Sorry lad, but that's just not the case. There are links on this thread from articles written BEFORE the conflict kicked off which outlined exactly the risks the Israeli and Americans faced. Exactly the things the poster said would be a surprise. You might not like that, but you'd be better off dealing with the reality that all this was well known, and would not have come as a surprise at all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 924 ✭✭✭bored65


    Facts such as Dubai being 150km from the nearest UAE military base? Whom last I checked no official war was declared against

    Why was there “debris” and missiles and drones aimed anywhere near this city?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,614 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    The EU position on the US and Israel is really bizarre. We saw Trump hurling threats and insults at Spain and the UK the other evening and even saying that he would invade Spain if the mood took him.

    Yet the likes of Kaja Kallas and von der Leyen are still talking about the US and Israel as if they are "allies" and reserving all their ire and anger for Iran (a country that has never claimed to be a friend of the West). Deafening silence from them on the actions of the two rogue governments.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,036 ✭✭✭rogber


    I agree with you and find the reporting extremely distasteful in a lot of cases, it's human misery packaged as consumable entertainment for people in safe places. But the simple solution is don't watch it and get your news from a source you respect



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