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What’s your most controversial opinion? **Read OP** **Mod Warning in Post #8023**

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,475 ✭✭✭Cordell


    Man what a wall of text made of word salad…

    By the western culture of self hatred I clearly didn't imply that the western culture is self hatred. But within the modern western culture there is a current of self-hating, hating the history, hating the achievements of our ancestors and hating what we are, and hating the fact that the western culture is the most advanced culture of Earth - of course without openly admit to it. But just how Douglas Murray said once - approximate quote - "the best way to find appreciation for western culture is to find yourself in a place that lacks it". Unfortunately, some of those places are now appearing all over western Europe.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,266 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams


    Chatgpt.com has resulted in extremely long rambling boards.ie posts



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,303 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack


    You could just have said your opinions are informed by that withered ballbag and saved both your time and mine as I wouldn’t have bothered to try and make sense of the original comment, let alone responded to it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,475 ✭✭✭Cordell


    Why he is indeed an older gentleman of homosexual persuasion, calling him a "withered ballbag" is quite unkind and totally uncalled for. Moreover, we should heed his warnings before we reach the point of no return.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 463 ✭✭89897


    Said to the tune of Rule Brittannia! This sounds so colonial and how "the savages have to be tamed" its incredible. What are the "achievements" of our ancestors we shouldnt be hating that we are?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,556 ✭✭✭silliussoddius


    What is this Western Culture that people are selling these days and when did it start? Western Cultures have been kicking the living sh1te out of each other for god knows how long thinking their Western Culture was better than the other one. Shirley, it can’t be about the man in the sky; I don’t see people who like to go for long walks in July embracing papists to their bosom.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 304 ✭✭Mother Shaboobu


    Jaysus he's only 46! (Although he does seem older).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,535 ✭✭✭kowloonkev


    There ought to be a word limit because nobody is reading those long posts.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,712 ✭✭✭ShagNastii


    There have been videos coming into my algorithm on YT of guys confronting pickpockets, scammers and other misc. blights on towns and cities across Europe.

    He is as obnoxious as they are but I think everyone should be doing this kind of thing. As societies we are so guilty of tip toeing around people doing unwelcome sh*te. Everyone should be unapologetically telling these people to FRO.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,475 ✭✭✭Cordell


    There are indeed some grifters that go around antagonizing inner city scum like feral youth drug dealers and 3rd world migrant scammers and thugs, and indeed they're doing this for ragebait and views. And they do a good job, they're the only ones doing anything about it. Sometimes they apply a little bit of frontier justice too.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,750 ✭✭✭Jack Daw


    There are a large cohort of people who like to claim western civilization is a large part of what is wrong with humanity but then when asked what is the better alternative they of course are stumped because up to now there isn't a better alternative.

    Today Lewis Hamilton said that the African continent needs to "unite and take (Africa) back from the French, Spanish, Portuguese and the British" which is an odd thing to say seeing as this has already happened so maybe he was looking at a map from 100 years ago and thought it was a current map. Based on how South Africa and Zimbabwe have fared since getting rid of the colonial influence and control in their countries there is a strong argument to be made that maybe the European influence should return in those countries.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 463 ✭✭89897


    As yes, South Africa and how it flurished under apartheid. Colonial influence and control is what de-stablised those countries. The better alternative would have been not to rape, pillage and plunder in the first place.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,069 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    Is Lewis going to leave his Monaco mansion to help his brothers rise up and take Africa back?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,750 ✭✭✭Jack Daw


    The ANC have had control of the country for over 30 years and it's got progressively worse in that time. You'd think after being handed over a modern country and developed economy SA would've pushed on but its gone massively backwards .

    Colonial influence is the only reason alot of countries in Africa made any progress at all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 463 ✭✭89897


    I am in no way saying the ANC were great nor am i saying theres no problems in SA at the moment but I think you need to read a little about SAs economy in the early 90s. Modern and developed are not words most would have used.

    What caused colonised counties to need progress in the first place? Ill give you a clue the answer is in the question.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,475 ✭✭✭Cordell


    What caused colonised counties to need progress in the first place? Could it be the lack of any modern development? Not having basic things like the wheel or written language? Still doing human sacrifices? Starving because they had no idea about growing crops efficiently? Being confined by obstacles like rivers because they lacked the knowledge to build bridges?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 463 ✭✭89897


    Where did you learn your history?! nearly all of those things you listed were first found in places that are now modern day Middle East (Iraq) or North Africa!

    Also the earliest most well documented evidence of human sacrifice was in Europe.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,475 ✭✭✭Cordell


    Doesn't surprise me that earliest human sacrifices were done in Europe, that only means I'm right, Europe is leading in everything :)

    For the rest, need I remind you we were talking about countries like South Africa and Zimbabwe? Countries that were at their best during colonial period, and went downhill after they decolonised themselves.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 463 ✭✭89897


    Best for who?? Those advances you alude to were built to extract resources and wealth and control the native population, not for the good of South Africa or Zimbabwe? Its like being happy your house was robbed and looted cause the robber swept your floor.

    It didnt matter what happened to those savages though right, cause it was all in the name of Gold, God and Glory?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,475 ✭✭✭Cordell


    They were sitting on diamonds and they were still hunting each other with sharp sticks so I'm not sure if anything of value (to them) was actually robbed (from them). So they traded resources and wealth they were not capable of extracting and use for things like modern agriculture and medicine. I'd say it was a good deal all around, they now have roads and bridges and universities, and kill each other with modern weapons.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,985 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    there is at least one senior Muslim cleric that has claimed that when there becomes a situation in Ireland where Muslims become the majority, that sharia law ‘should’ rule Ireland… not ‘could’, not ‘might’, ‘should rule’..were their words…

    If you have people in positions of power and influence actively advocating for it….



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 463 ✭✭89897


    Oh come on! It’s hard to call it a win-win when one side lost the right to their own land, resources and future for centuries.

    Back to my original question to you? Is this what our ansestors achieved that we hate that were supposed to celebrate?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,550 ✭✭✭csirl


    I dont like the way the phrase "Western culture" is used. In reality, what we're talking about is modernisation. For example, those Asia Pacific countries that are or have developed in recent years have not become "Westernised" - they have become modern. And as we can see in Japan, Korea etc. they do not lose their unique culture by modernising.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 41,272 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Y'know, 17 or 18 years ago there were Brits making exactly the same argument.

    "Those stupid Paddies, it's no wonder they got themselves into such a mess, we should never have left"

    That was after maybe a dozen "good" years after over 70 years of total failure.

    ANC are like Charlie and Bertie-era FF dialled up to the max. It's not an argument for colonialism, it's an argument against voting for dickheads

    I'm partial to your abracadabra
    I'm raptured by the joy of it all



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 41,272 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Japan went from having no Western influence to quite a bit in the late 19th century, and then massive Western influence after 1945. It wasn't just modernisation but sweeping cultural changes as well - from feudalism to capitalism in the late 19th, and from imperialism to liberal(ish) democracy post-1945. The old structures were swept away, rather than just being modernised

    I'm partial to your abracadabra
    I'm raptured by the joy of it all



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,535 ✭✭✭kowloonkev


    To be fair the Brits would have an argument and still do.

    The success we've had has been almost exclusively through piggybacking on the ingenuity of others.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,711 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    Imagine saying this, even if it's just to feel edgy.

    What were we saying a couple of pages ago about 'self-hating' sentiment?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,552 ✭✭✭StevenToast


    I couldnt give a fùck about flights coming back from Dubai with people flaunting themselves all over the media like they've achieved something....a huge drain on the state..

    They should be keeping the head down instead of all this pricking around at the airport....

    "SUBSCRIBE TO BOARDS YOU TIGHT CÙNT".....Plato 400 B.C



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,475 ✭✭✭Cordell


    There's people coming from Dubai and there's people that were stranded on Dubai on a stopover to somewhere else e.g. Australia or India - tech workers of various ethnicity including Irish travel there for business reasons.

    But those who relocated themselves in that posh shithole should be charged with the cost.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,750 ✭✭✭Jack Daw


    Perhaps, but it's not as if most of Africa is thriving post colonialism. If it is then why is any aid being sent there at all?

    Why are so many countries in constant crisis on the African continent?

    Irelands level of poor governance is overstated post colonization, in the early years we just underperformed compared to one of the worlds wealthiest regions (western Europe) not underperformed compared to the rest of the world. Not perfect but not the basket case that a number of African countries have been post colonization. Ireland been one of the great success stories relatively speaking post colonization.

    ANC are much worse than what you described, you only have to look at the general decline in all levels of life in South Africa and how much it's fallen in recent decades. Rampant crime, lack of basic services Ireland was never close to that level of incompetence.



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