"No to war" & "breakdown of international law" - Spanish PM Sánchez

All joking aside, if everyone is at mass no one is beating seven shades of shite outta each other.

This rush to arms is beyond bad. Particularly when it's obvious there was no plan or need for it at that particular time. You have the Israelis essentially kicking off chaos in the middle east with the war mongering yanks rowing in with them. Absolutely ridiculous. Tens of thousands dead, perhaps more. Who really knows how long or the outcome of this **** show.

I admire him for standing up to the US, but what's his stance on Ukraine? Is he one of these leftists who hates war so much he thinks Ukraine should capitulate? Some wars sadly really are necessary

The problem is, you don't know what the Iranians will actually end up doing now, or the rest of the gulf states. It's easy saying one of the aggressors will pause but they may not have that luxury now.

It's a complete unknown. As said already on this thread there's a whole new generation of Iranians who see why their parents might hate the yanks now after what they did to innocent victims on the first day of this war. All that is happening is the continued hatred of the US and when the US government go in there and kill a couple of hundred innocent kids it's hard not to see why people might hate the Americans.

Another thing to consider is what makes internationalism is changing too. As cited in the last post Europe is experiencing a good period. Even the splitters like La Pen and 5Star in Italy pulled back from exiting the EU after Brexit delivered a 5-7% drop in household purchasing power and no real solution to illegal migration.

The Russian invasion solidified a common cause, apart from Hungary, but Orban may be on the way out in April if polling holds as is. Even the UK is cooperative on a common continental defense.

In east Asia another trade bloc called the RCEP was formed to gradually reduce tariffs between member to at least 10%.

While these new trade blocs consolidate the former leader of the global economy is putting up trade frictions that only drive trade elsewhere.

Oil seems to dominate Trumps economic thinking with his cancelling of renewables research funding and attacks on oil rich nations. The irony of this turn against renewables is that it will push consumers everywhere else towards more EVs and solar power which will impact the USA's number one export, refined oil.

The US led the world when it controlled the global oil supply, oil demand underpinned the USD and the ability of US consumers to borrow cheaply. But alternative energy solutions are now eroding that stranglehold.

Oil dominance is a simple logic that all Trump voters can understand, so even if Trump choked on a burger tonight there'd still be an Oil fueled MAGA agenda.

Nobody has said Trump can't be criticised, that is a strawman argument.

He was right to topple Maduro, he is right to take down the Ayatollah, he stopped the bombing of Gaza. Those are a few small things that he was right on, on most of everything else, he has been wrong. Remember, though, unlike Maduro, unlike the Ayatollah, unlike Hamas, he is the democratically elected leader of the biggest democracy in the world.

Stick with your oppressive dictators that will kill 30,000 of their own people in three weeks. The Shah did not do worse, that is fake propaganda from the mullahs.

If something positive results from the top tier being taken out at this time then good. But Israel and Trump have no plan for Iran beyond reinstalling what came before the revolution.

I became good friends with an Iranian when I lived in Oz and in the run up to last weekend he being resharing a lot of those big royalist fleg demos but since the weekend he's gone full 180 against intervention. He came from what he admits was a very well off inner circle privilege but even he see that what was can not be.

Up to now the threat from USA was always looming, now those warnings have been justified. The US and Israel would rubble Iran like they did Gaza if they had enough munitions, so for Iranians of all backgrounds it's back against the wall.

@Rawr

What we probably overlook in the anglosphere bubble is that Donnie has been denigrating el mundo de Espanol since he announced his run for the office. They're inured to his affronts while most of the rest of the western world is still shuffling awkwardly around Trump.

The failings of the Mullahs are far from slight.

I would give anything to be able to transport those who are defending Iran into the body of an 18-year old woman in Iran. Then you would know what repression feels like.

It hasn't been confirmed whether the school was hit as a result of friendly fire from a failed Iranian missile or whether it was a US or Israeli missile.

In getting rid of the Shah, the people of Iran went from the gentle heat of a frying pan on low into a furnace of intense heat.

Maybe the regime moved the girls school into the path of the missile that was sent to hit the uranium enrichment facility that Trump obliterated last year.

Every argument for war is flimsy.

It is a war crime to endanger your own civilians and use them as human shields. Building a girls school beside a missile launcher is an example of that type of war crime.

Israel is a terrorist government. They've forged Irish passport for their terrorist operations. You ok with that?

On your second point, you think we should all be happy second class British subjects still?

'But.. I've written them a strongly worded letter!' - Pedro Sanchez (probably)

There is no peace that is uninforced, and Iran is behind 95% of the $h1t that goes down in the region, either directly or indirectly throuh it's proxies. The actions of the US are a big step towards peace in the Middle East, in much the same way that the local co-co evicting that one 'problem family' on your estate suddenly makes the whole neighbourhood livable again once they're gone.