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US/Israel conduct airstrikes on Iran again

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 255 ✭✭Tacitus Kilgore DCLXVI


    There's no base but there's a base, ok. Do you really have to persist with just making stuff up?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 924 ✭✭✭bored65


    Can you point at this US military base on a map of Oman and offer proof that they gave US permission to use their land during the attacks which started this war?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 255 ✭✭Tacitus Kilgore DCLXVI


    I mean you've just pointed to where they use facilities in Oman but keep on with this bizarre style of posting, I'm not going to engage with you any further because you are either posting in bad faith or just have no idea what you are talking about.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,216 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Maybe on Sky News but even 20 years ago Sky News wasn't remotely as bad. There was some kind of editorial oversight and balance. Modern warfare coverage has become way more graphic and immediate due to social media and smartphones. Real time footage of death and destruction seems the norm. It has created a dopamine hook. It desensitises people.

    Post edited by Cluedo Monopoly on

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 554 ✭✭✭midlander12


    Apologies if this has been posted already. The Iranian team declined to sing the national anthem at the Asian Women's Cup.

    ‘These women are prisoners’: Iran protesters make voices heard at Women’s Asian Cup | Women's Asian Cup 2026 | The Guardian



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 54,659 CMod ✭✭✭✭Retr0gamer


    So because the US doesn't own a military base but operate out of one it's not a legitimate target? A US base is a US base if they are stationed there and have troops. Your semantics don't support your argument.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 924 ✭✭✭bored65


    There is no evidence that permission was given by Oman or Turkey or Azerbaijan to use any of their facilities for this war Trumps regime has started

    Same with UK for that matter who famously told Trump to lump it and he couldn’t use key facilities such as Diego Garcia

    … and still got attacked (edit; and France let’s not forget them)

    What’s next Iran attacks neutral Switzerland and Ireland for having a McDonnalds?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,530 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    I'm looking at it from the point of view of the regime's survival (which I don't want of course but you have to do devil's advocate)

    Millions want to see the end of the regime in Iran and a more moderate leadership take its place. But this regime exists because of US interference in the first place. Change has to come about from within Iran itself, from the Iranian people. It won't work if it's imposed by outside factors, especially when those outsiders are only interested in their own aims and couldn't give a toss about the people in the country concerned. And many Iranians remember the last time America had a say in their internal political affairs.

    There's many in Iran who'd like to see a democracy flourish there. The problem is that neither Israel or the US are interested in a democratic Iran. They want to install another dictator puppet like the Shah, that they can control.

    Their only hope was that the Gulf states would panic and pressurise Trump into calling it off after a few days with some sort of face-saving deal.

    Perhaps.

    But, as I said already, what Iran is doing here is telling the US that their assets in other countries are not safe and that we're not as weak as Netanyahu led you to believe.

    Whether that's a bluff or not is debatable. What isn't a debate, however, is that Iran's capability to strike back has come as a shock to both the US and Israel and they don't really know how to proceed.

    All of this is to the benefit of Israel, who is only concerned with increasing and projecting her power in the region. This is something that Iran has acted as a dam against, for better or for worse and that is why the likes of Netanyahu wants them gone. Him and his type are working toward their greater Israel project which is first and foremost in their minds.

    But there must be people in the corridors of power in America, including the current administration, who are asking themselves what the fuck are we doing?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 924 ✭✭✭bored65


    CNN 20 years ago

    Channel4 ten years ago

    What exactly is worse about current coverage on news media besides higher frame rates and resolution?

    I don’t understand the pearl clutching



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,530 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Duqm port was attacked by a drone. It hit a fuel tank.

    https://news.sky.com/video/explosion-after-drone-appears-to-strike-fuel-tank-in-omans-duqm-port-13514587

    The US has an agreement with Oman to use this facility. That's why it was attacked.

    Funny how there's certain types on here that are up in arms because a fuel tank got hit by a drone with no casualties, but are completely fine making excuses for a school with a load of kids in it being blown to pieces.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 255 ✭✭Tacitus Kilgore DCLXVI


    The level of dehumanisation that goes on still, after all these years, surprises me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 924 ✭✭✭bored65


    Did Oman give permission for their facilities to be used for these attacks that started this war

    Whatabout Turkey, Azerbaijan, UK and France

    There is an awful lot of hand waving an excusing of the strategic stupidity of the Iranian regime in trying to drag everyone into their little war, including neutrals who went out of their way to distance themselves from Trump and Israel in the run up to this war

    Exactly! 30,000+ Iranians killed by their own government and not even a peep of condemnation from certain quarters



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,882 ✭✭✭threeball


    The whole world is beholden to a handful of people, literally a couple of thousand nutjobs who keep the world in constant war while everyone else is happy enough to plod along in peace. We're all ploughing along following rules about car emissions, reducing beef herds and these fcukers are blowing up everything in sight. Oil refineries, tankers, Chemical plants. They are the virus we can't shake.

    There was no justification for the war in Ukraine, none for Iraq and certainly none for this. Everything we have from our planet to our income is being destroyed for the benefit of rich fcukers who can never have enough. And the assh0les who fight for them are worse. They should march down to the capital/CEO's office and put a bullet in their head.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 795 ✭✭✭JohnDoe2025


    Dubai hotels are now US bases?

    Qatar oil refineries are also US bases?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,530 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Don't bother replying to me. I've no interest in bullshitters.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,882 ✭✭✭threeball


    Its ok, you just rent your gaf, you don't officially live there. Any moron knows that, or do they…..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,282 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Spot on. I find the images/videos depressing and distressing, but I tune in to watch and keep abreast; and I certainly don't "enjoy" people's suffering.

    Listening to some U.S. commentary and the glee and happiness spilling from these psychos is horrendous



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 795 ✭✭✭JohnDoe2025


    Eh, the Iranians bombed the Kurds a few days ago, they have also spent 40 years oppressing them, the decades worth of war has already been suffered by the Kurds.

    The Kurds were loved by the Irish until they sided with the Israelis.

    https://www.amnesty.org/fr/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/MDE130882008ENGLISH.pdf

    Here is an Amnesty International Report from 2008 outlining the systematic oppression of the Kurds by Iran. The question to be asked of US and Israel is why they didn't help the Kurds before now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,227 ✭✭✭Enduro


    But, as I said already, what Iran is doing here is telling the US that their assets in other countries are not safe and that we're not as weak as Netanyahu led you to believe.

    Whether that's a bluff or not is debatable. What isn't a debate, however, is that Iran's capability to strike back has come as a shock to both the US and Israel and they don't really know how to proceed.

    Oh that is far from not debatable! The reason the Israelis and the Americans are concentrating on attacking Iran's military assets is that they are fully aware of what they are capable of. That's why so many air defence systems were moved into the Gulf area in the last month. The only people this will come as a surprise to are the people who have not been paying attention until the actual combat kicked off.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 988 ✭✭✭vswr


    Oman is an interesting one to be hit. Does the US have access to bases there, yes. Were they used to hit Iran, no.

    Oman have been one of the key facilitators in peace talks, so unless they felt "setup" by them as a result, that would be one plausible reason.

    The other likely reason (hinted at by the Iranian FM) is that military units are currently working unilaterally with a pre-defined target list, until they are told to stop. Oman, just happens to be on that list.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 255 ✭✭Tacitus Kilgore DCLXVI


    If you actually believe this you are delusional.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,882 ✭✭✭threeball


    US troops were moved into these hotels off the bases before the war commenced. Qatar is a US ally who provides the US with energy and probably intel. They're quite tight with Trump so why wouldn't they be a target. If you illegally attack a country for no reason other than you don't like the way its run or want someone else to run it, don't expect that country to go out of their way to avoid hitting any target they deem a threat. The US and Israelis have killed far more civilians so far than Iran. I don't see you complaining about that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 924 ✭✭✭bored65


    Do you have any evidence that a single US troop was housed in this apartment block in Bahrain which is nowhere near a military base



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 795 ✭✭✭JohnDoe2025


    I remember watching live as a plane flew into a Twin Tower 25 years ago.

    Similarly, the Iraq war in 2003 received similar coverage to this conflict.

    You may be too young to remember those.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 795 ✭✭✭JohnDoe2025


    Iran have killed 33,000 of their own civilians this year, didn't realise the US and Israelis had already matched that total in five days.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,128 ✭✭✭Homelander


    Hang on, are you saying that the US and Israel knowing exactly what Iran is capable of, and their military campaign being tailored to same, is deluded?

    I mean….the evidence is literally right there.

    Iran has lost its air force, navy, air defences, senior leadership and a huge amount of launch capability in a few days while inflicting effectively zero damage thus far from a military POV on either the US or Israel.

    Saying the US and Israel are "shocked" makes it sound like Iran has pulled something out of the bag no-one knew existed, or achieved some surprising operational successes…..and they haven't on either count, at least not yet.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,530 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    It's almost hilarious.

    The US and Israel attack Iran in an illegal war and there's people whinging because Iran is attacking their enemies overseas facilities.

    You couldn't make it up.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 924 ✭✭✭bored65


    Ah yes the world’s most famous seven star US military base /S

    You couldn't make it up.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,216 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Nonsense. I am 54. Why are you missing the point?

    I am talking about Constant war porn. Turn on any Sky News coverage about Iran and there are constant background videos of missiles and bombs.

    If you cannot understand why Sky do this, you are already a dopamine addict. RTE will show some clips but it won't be constant - they will have reporters giving the facts in a normal way.

    A tangent I know - I was in college for the first Gulf war (Iraq 1991). RTE actually interrupted normal broadcasting to bring us a Newsflash for the start of Desert Storm. I think it was showing CNN coverage. It showed Kuwait and Basra being bombed in the distance at night. We had never seen the likes of it before. It was just flashes in the distance but we got the point. How it has changed. I never saw pictures of Scuds/Patriots mid flight but I knew what they were.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 795 ✭✭✭JohnDoe2025


    You have claimed that it is different to ten years ago. Well, twenty-five years ago, it was the same.

    I am not saying that it is a good thing, but I am pointing out that you are wrong in claiming it is new.



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