Tesla Talk 2

I'm as critical of Tesla as anyone (you can check my post history in this thread if you don't believe me) but you come across as utterly obsessed, and to be honest you and others are polluting this thread with petty squabbles that amount to nothing substantial.

Question about this - the UK approved L2 about 2 years ago, but from what I can see most cars that are L2 hands-off capable still require one hand on the steering wheel.

Do you know where the UK law actually currently stands?

tough market conditions for BYD it seems aswell

BYD's February sales dropped 41.1% from a year earlier, the sixth consecutive month of decline, according to a stock market filing on Sunday. The fall last month was the biggest since February 2020 when the economy was hit by the COVID-19 pandemic.

There's a difference between L2 capable cars and cars that have activated L2 driving on them. Tesla vehicles are L2 capable but even with their €7.5k FSD package they don't have an activated L2 driving software package in them

As far as I am aware the UK law is the same as the Irish one

There are differences between L2 and L2.

I'm not watching an annoying American for 30 minutes - can you summarise what you mean?

Why's he picked those specific 5 cars?

It's a free world. But unkel did a great job with the synopsis in the meantime.

I'm guessing it's to do with the availability of a promised generic self drive capability, i.e. the only ones that claim to "self drive".

It wasn't far off, and the price has varied over the years. The highest it ever got to was $15k. Now of course you can no longer purchase it in the USA, only exception is if you very quickly order a high spec Model S or Model X, before their production stops for good next quarter

Could be a lot more for a private buyer who would loose the 3.5k grant.

For example on a Model Y AWD it would add €11565 if you include FSD at order time. Would be mad not to add on after car purchase.

That is a bit outdated in fairness. In particular Xpeng have just launched their latest system, VLA 2.0, still being tested and not available to buy just yet afaik, and it is getting close to Tesla in that it can really fully drive itself without intervention in difficult circumstances like bad weather and crazy traffic.

A lot of the self-acclaimed AI experts and professionals in here ain't gonna like it, but the only 2 cars in the world that consumers can (almost) buy that can drive themselves from A to B, both use vision only…

I'd be curious if someone has run a similar test outside of the USA. My guess is that camera-only automated driving is far more reliable in the US because they have much more uniform and standardised road layouts, along with a huge pool of potential drivers within that homogenous market.

Also important to note that "vision-only" is not quite true as most (all?) of these FSD systems also make use of satnav, and I think mapping coverage is also far more detailed in the US too - not just in terms of where roads are, where the lanes are, but also about the rules and restrictions that apply to each road, each junction, each lane, etc.

Like look at the detail random junction in Austin TX on Google Maps:

And then here's a very similar junction in Dublin: